Tax grab here…….tax grab there…..who counts

In McGuinty’s case, money talks and he can buy his voters.

josefina

your policies are foolish and lame. what a waste of time to start a program, kill it and then restart it.
spend the time, get consultation then draw a plan for us to see before you ram it down our throats.
The Liberals will not win the next election

Good editorial comments in this article. Its good to hear that Ontario is wakeing up and hopefully BC’s hopefull, ex premier Bill, will keep stiring the political pot. Keep it boiling Bill but dont burn the soup to the bottom .

Hopefully we have seen the end of the eco fee (tax) however if the McGuinty crowd win the next election and it could happen, the eco fees will return with a new name, guaranteed. How else can the premier keep his cronies in high paying jobs.

Famous last words: “Under a Li(e)beral government you will not pay a PENNY more.” (Premier Pinocchio).
Reality: 1. Health tax. 2. HST 3. ECO fees (Nice try). 4. Reduced electricity refunds to farmers.
McGreedy turned out worse than “Boob” Rae!

Ontario: Wake up and kick that bunch out.

If Ontario politics is anything like Nova Scotia politics a change in government will not mean a change for the benefit of the people of Ontario. Personally I am getting very tired of getting bad government after bad government and what the province of Nova Scotia needs is a new political party that will look out for the needs of the people of Nova Scotia instead of padding their own pocket books.

Often, in response to the declining voter turnout, I have read that if we want a say in politics then we should vote and that if we don’t vote then we should not have a say. For the life of me, with our political system set up the way that it is, I cannot see how voting gives a person a say in the way our MPs and MPPs look out for the interests of their constituents. More people voting could give a candidate the seat over the others whereas lower voter turnout might not give him the seat, but the results will still be the same with our elected MPs and MPPs obligated to follow party lines or be ousted from the party.

I am very tempted in the next federal election to print in at the bottom of the ballot: “NONE OF THE ABOVE” to show my displeasure with all of the parties, because as it stands right now in my opinion there is not a party and party leader in Canada that is worthy or capable enough to give good government to Canadians.

Will the opposition be any better? We don’t know much about them - do we?

Perhaps McGuinty, like the Premier in British Columbia will find himself short on the number of days he has left in office. These guys have no regard for their people whatsoever. Unfortunately, they are just scamming the people and I hope more of the “People” wake up and do something about it very soon. Go Bill Go!

NCC: I believe you give the electorate of Ontario more credit than they deserve. We were late off the post on our coordinated opposition to the HST and are far behind BC. Perhaps too far to expect anything now, except to “suck it up”. How could anyone who listens and reads not find the McGuinty government so blatently dishonest after eHealth, the Lottery fraud, and example after example of downright dishonesty, totally undeserving of the right to govern.

I had dared to hope that a mechanism could be found, perhaps such as a PLEBISCITE.which is “a vote by which the people of an entire country or district express an opinion for or against a proposal, especially on a choice of government or ruler”. There MUST be a way. Let’s find it and get going.

It is highly unlikely that any new single layer bureaucracy will be undone, let alone a single bureaucrat fired because they are not needed anymore. For the sake of Ontario and the rest of Canada, Dalton McSpendy’s Lieberals must not win the next Ontario provincial election - a Progressive Conservative **majority** is needed. Now, having said that, Hudak’s Tories have not done much of a constructive presentation of themselves as a credible government in waiting. Good thing they have a year or so to do that.

The Liberals are screwing the people of Ontario! They are wasteing so much money it is unreal. Who is paying the salary for the people that work at Stewardship Ontario? I bet it is the taxpayer! Enough is enough, I am going to stand up and fight now.

Where do they think the citizens are going to get all this extra money to pay taxes?

More complacency in Government! How will you add to this if you lobby to abolish the Canadian Human Rights Commissions. Right of centre in my thinking does not imply that business and government are free of accountability. Sixty eight million a year for the cost of the Commission is a valid cost to ensure that we do not go from a democracy to a totalitarian government. Ontario in particular has always been an overregulated system. The only reason that I can think of for all the regulation is that there are better people on the side lines that could manage the Province much more honestly and fairly, however they are not part of the old league.So in order to protect the old establishment, they use regulation. It is just fate that is on our side that we live next door to a free market system or we would have had a cast system a hundred years ago.

I get hammered by McGuinty with a hidden agenda of the HST,
I go to Home Depot and get hammered with a special tax on
a can of spray paint, what next? This guy is a dictator
and must go. The next premier must promise to introduce a law that allows
the citizenry to have a ameans of stopping and changinge such irrisponsible
acts.

I agree with D. Naylor. The people of Ontario don’t deserve any credit or benefit of the doubt. I would not discount the possibility of another Liberal victory. The level of ignorance and apathy among voters here is discouraging. Ontarians by a majority will still be easily bought with their own money. As we wittnessed under the Harris government. The people of the province only get angry and upset when someone is trying to improve our economic situation and apply some common sense. No matter what McLiar says or does there is no outrage from our media. Of course the organized labour sector is payed off at our expense for labour harmony and the people are apparently happy with the status quo. If I’m understanding Terry B. correctly in regard to HRC’s it supports my assertions.

The “eco tax” was very similar to the old Manufacturers’ Tax in that it was being passed on to an unwary taxpayer by the makers of the products. The Ontario Librals will continue to spend much of their time thinking of diverse ways of taxing a gullible public. They never quit. Meanwhile the public will occasionally complain, then, once again, give them their vote.

Ontarians have so many immigrants now, and they want the government to continue to pay their way for them. Therefore McGuinty has to continue to find the funds to pay them off, in order to get their votes, in order to stay in power. Just look at the statistics. The government also gives Francophone voters benefits and accomodation out of all proportion to their percentage of the populaton. Divide and conquer. Get all the fringe groups and tax eaters on your side, and re-election is assured, regardless of what the tax-paying public (a smaller and smaller percentage of the population each year) says about it. What Ontario needs is a true conservative party, not another “progressive” party. They need a party like Alberta has in the Wildrose Alliance. Get smart Ontario, and reclaim your natural conservative heritage, so it can once again become a “have” province.

Eco-fees can decrease the burden on taxpayers if they are accompanied by a general tax decrease somewhere else. I totally support consumer pay programs if they are met with the equivalent tax decrease. Ontario has signed onto the Canada-Wide Action Plan produced by the Canadian Council of ministers of the Environment that expressed every provinces consent on the notion of Extended Producer Responsibility. EPR places the burden on producers to handle their product for the life-span of said product. An interesting concept as it can take many forms (mandatory take back (electronics), eco-fees (used oil, paint), or private collection(residential sharps - needles). Hopefully people come to understand this theory and how it will save taxpayers money but cost consumers for the cost that they place on the rest of society and how this should be met with a cut somewhere else like personal income tax as taxpayers are no longer paying for the program.

Ontario did many things wrong with this one. Not telling the public is not the smartest idea. Also the notion of the “eurig test” that stipulates that in order to be a “Fee” there must be a nexus between the cost of disposal (in this instance) and the fee charged. If there is no relation then it would be a tax. So on products where they are not disposing the product (anything that goes down the drain, such as laundry detergent) this would be a tax.

Finally putting it on so many goods in one day and on the same day as the HST is bizarre.

Ontario has instigated a cost recovery system to recover 50% of the cost of newspaper collection and processing that Ontario consumers are already paying. They are currently reviewing this program and looking to increase the cost recovery to 100%. So newspapers would pay Stewardship Ontario based on the municipal cost of collection and processing of newspapers less the residual value that municipalities are able to sell the raw material for. Should be an interesting how they play that situation with this recent drop of the ball.

Properly instigated and implemented, this could be a valuable program – unfortunately Ontario dropped the ball and now they will have to either backtrack on policy or instigate the program again.

You say people in ontario are complacent I egree but I have given up on people here because you talk to people and they just don’t care
and they keep on voting liberal and they keep on spending and wasting
billions.Welcome to ontario.