I’ve always contended that an AMICABLE separation would be in everyone’s self interest. The dog wagging the tail is politically unhealthy for Quebecers and for the R.O.C.

Holding people hostage is “illegal” but Quebec has been doing this to the Rest Of Canada for many mant years . It s time we called their bluff . The ROC should set up a commission to investigate what would be needed from the ROC to give Quebec the sovreign state they so much want and at the same time set out what the ROC wants Quebec to do in return . When cooler heads prevailed in Quebec they would see the advantages they have in being a province within Canada . At the same time the ROC should require that the “special status” of Quebec with in Canada be ended and that ALL provinces be treated equally with in our Conederation . It might send a message to other provinces that the whole is more important the the individual .

Not only is it Quebec holding us hostage, what about the enormous handouts to the native Indians. It is a well known fact that should you want something for almost pennies, visit the pawn shop in Wetaskiwin. There you can pick up new dishwashers, stoves, you name it. The handouts are for not. Now unless we get someone to actually stand up to Quebec or the Indians and what ever else is begging, this total wastage of our hard earned money is still going to revolve.
Now this is the first global meltdown, here in Alberta there are still help wanted signs everywhere, with no takers but lets increase the EI. Now I don’t profess to be a space scientist to see what is happening, but lets all open up a TFSA, as we as individuals know how to save, what about the big heads in government and the opposition parties. After all we need to save our earned money, because if don’t, it is so apparent that our hard earned money that went to CPP is not going to be there in a couple of years. What next. Keep on pouring the money to Quebec and the INdians , and watch where we sit in ten years.

The Bloc … Why not lobby for one change to campaign/party financing? Since they only represent the wishes of Quebec, Quebec should pay 100% of their costs, starting with per-vote $ payment to Bloc MP pensions. Only parties with across-Canada candidates should receive national funding. NCC should lobby for this.

Right on in terms of starting the debate but what’s the end game? There’s been lots of debate for many years. We need a concrete path/process to move the debate forward and the debate needs to be moved forward by the R.O.C.. Do we have any political leaders willing to do such a thing? Would need to be an outsider from Ottawa- perhaps previous premiers and/or previous federal party leaders such as Preston Manning, Paul Martin maybe even Brian Mulroney. Thanks to the NCC for not letting this fall off the table.

I like to believe that Quebec will remain as Canada but be free to control their borders to immigration as should the other provinces. By decentralizing power as Conservatives ie(PMSH) would like to implement, Quebec would likely be a happier and more content partner within Canada.

Think of it as a nagging domestic partner continually dictating what you should and should not do within the confines of your House. This leads to problems in the home. Translate that to Canada and/or Province or even Municipality dictating what you do in your jurisdictions.

When you allow other partners (as long as were responsible and reasonable) to feel free and control their own, it makes for a happier union.

I couldn’t agree more. We live in a parliamentary dictatorship and Quebec has been dicating terms to the rest of us for far too long.

And it isn’t the people, it’s the system. I grew up cheering for the Canadiens in hockey. Now, if I wear Canadiens cap, everyone in the west thinks I’m unpatriotic.

Why? Because we’ve been forced to donate to a charity (Quebec) not of our own choosing and pay blackmail to a province that claims their difference entitles them to some portion of my income.

Let ‘em leave! Or better yet, help them out.

I appreciate the concern for equality. In my view it is best NOT to attack special status matters or the perceived wrongs as per above but prove any inequality with well-researched arguments showing the true state of affairs with sources and references. For example, using the $16,000 figure is only helpful if you also show what the number is for all the other provinces.

Bilingualism in Canada should be tied to Bilingualism in Quebec as well. No Bilingualism in Quebec, no Bilingualism in Canada. The problem of course is that there is no Bilingualism in the rest of the provinces except in New Brunswick and some parts of Ontario? and Manitoba. In my view the real concern about Bilingualism should be that it causes inequity in federal government employment opportunities in ALL the provinces except Quebec and New Brunswick. Many job postings require both languages but I am at times talking to bureacrats whose English is far worse then mine (I arrived in Canada as an adult non-English speaker).

All transfer payments must stop,especially to Quebec which gets most of it.Time it stood on its own feet and not on ours.Canada has to stop being a constant bank which they dip into when they feel they need it.Bilingualism has to be thrown out as we can’t afford it especially in this deficit time.It seems we have allowed all major government departments to be in Quebec except the mint,that has got to stop.There movie industry is backed by OUR money,no other province is that lucky………time to quite it all and tell them ,”welcome to Canada,this is what it costs to be part of it.”

I have said for years that the market place should determine what language one speaks in business. I never agreed with official bilingualism and have seen nothing to change my mind. As for Quebec’s place within Canada, past politics within Canada caused this situation to happen. Frankly, I am tired of it all. If Quebec wants to leave then let them. Enough is enough. No more deals or policies to favour them. Either play ball with no special treatment or beat it.

Let’s encourage them to seperate. Canada and Quebec would both be better off. We could have Canadian elections that meant something to Canada rather than how to cater to Quebec. I lived in Quebec in 1980 and voted oui and would again for the same reasons as above.
Ex Quebecker

They must take the same medicine as the rest of Canada or Bye Bye. My son is Quebec born and I am a huge Canadiens fan; but inspite of that, we have to start being sensible. I love the Province and its inhabitants. The fault is that of the liberals who use our money to get Quebec votes. Amazing really. We should have put the Trudeaux and Chretins in jail for embezzlement. No one can blame Quebec for taking the money if it is offered, but now is the time to change the rules for good. Harper has shown an amazing lack of guts recently, so he has to be dumped and a Mike Harris put in his place.

Quebec take it or leave it. Stay and follow the rules or go. The choice is yours. Most of the ROC is ready to help you to pack.

I love Quebec. I lived there for a few years! My wife is from there. And I would prefer them to be a part of Canada. However, it is time for Canada to quite worrying about what Quebec thinks. We will never be able to make them happy. They are like a spoiled grown child still at home who has usually gotten their way, and is always wanting more. They use guilt & manipulation to abuse the parent knowing that the parent’s love will prevent them from not responding to their demands.
Well enough of the abuse! It is time for tough love. Quebec does not love Canada, they abuse Canada. If they want to remain in the home (Canada) here are the rules and the way we live together with respect, equality and fair contributions to the whole.
If they do not want to contribute to a healthy home and existence then they must go, but they do not take anything with them. They must go it alone! No sovreignty association, no “we pay the bills and you do whatever you want”. You want to be independent… you go and make it on your own.
I can almost guarantee that they will not do it. Deep down they know they do not have the resources to do so, and they too much dissension within their province to get a mandate from the people. If they do want to go… then let them. enough is enough. The abuse must stop… they don’t love or respect Canada at the moment… only our money and resources.
And by the way, Quebec is not the only spoiled child in Canada. We are a dysfunctional country with a dysfunctional system in many ways!

I am in complete agreement with the foregoing comments. It is about time that we told Quebec to put-up or shut-up. I am really tired of the Quebecois cry-babies–whenever they don’t get their way or perceive a slight (remember culture funding cuts) they punish the party in power. This has been purpetuated by the Ontario-Quebec cabal which has dominated Canada since Confederation and which has held the rest of the country hostage. Politicians are to blame as they cater to whomever they perceive to be necessary for their continuing hold on power. Canadians, wake up and demad better and fairer government with more control over politicians.

Quebec should never be soveriegn, Jean Charest and Gilles Duceppe should both be arrested and tried for their criminal offenses, including sedition, seditious libel and the official languages Act should be SCRAPPED, for starters.
Then “ROC” can actually be a part of the country instead of bystanders to quebec’s wishes of the week.
Give them sovereignty then what still have to deal with the same bunch of racist bastards who call everyone else racists? The Quebecers in this country do have to go but not by giving them sovereignty, no way no how.
Give them a jail cell where they belong, instead!

Do you realize that thousands of civil servants (federal ) living in Ottawa and Ontario pay their income taxes to Quebec and Quebec has control of that amout of money until tax time .I guess that’s the reason they moved Rev Can to Shawinigan in order count the money !!

Facts:
1. Quebec is not going to separate. They are not going separate for a whole host of reasons including: a) They lack a charismatic leader; b) in their heart of hearts they know full well that they get far more out of Canada than they put into it; c) at best only half their population will vote to separate leaving the other half wanting to remain Canadian which has always been their birthright; d) with the possible exception of Gabon no other country in the world will support them - not even France.

2. If we tried to ditch them (which we won’t ) they would resist with bloody murder.

3. Quebec is not going to leave and we are not going to ditch them.

Question: How do we best live with them?

Ans: With tough love.

1. Accept them as equals (which we do) but stop granting them superior economic status. For instance why should the rest of us have to subsidize them to the tune of (presently) 10 Billion a year in order that they can have programs such as universal child care that the rest of us can’t afford because we are to busy paying their bills!

2. Abandon the Senate. This anachronistic institution can never be reformed along democratic principles so get rid of it as it badly skewers Canadian governance in favor of Quebec and Atlantic Canada.

3. Move as quickly as possible to grant Ontario, B.C. and Alberta their additional seats in Parliament which will not only finally grant some semblance of political equality to all Canadians but will reduce Quebec’s strangle hold on Canadian politics.

Until the forgoing steps are taken there can and won’t be any fundamental change in Canada and we will continue to stumble along at half our potential as we have been doing for the last 40 years or so.

I am from Quebec and some of these comments disgust and hurt me. It demonstrates flagrant ignorance. Not all of us are separatists. Most of us have a profound attachmet for Canada. However, we constantly have to fight hard to protect our language and our culture. As for bilinguism, it is only fair that Francophones everywhere in Canada have the right to live and work in their mother tongue, especially in federal ministries. We are, after all, one of the founding nations of this country.

It would be nice to live in a country called Cascadia made up of the western provinces. Realizing that is not likely to happen any time soon I would just suggest that Quebec feel free to move on. Bye bye, so long, see ya later..No more Federal government office buildings in Hull filled with Quebecers working for OUR federal government. No more Canadian military bases in Quebec… the list could be long..In short Quebec, don’t let the door hit you in the ass as you leave..Or how do you that in French..

Solution, start treating Quebec like the other provinces - equally with same rules and obligations. They are as important to Canada as NS, NFD, BC and the Yukon.

Dear Sylvie,
If you were willing to pay something to protect your culture it would be one thing but as a Canadian I am sick and tired of bailing out a province that is nothing more than a planned welfare state. It’s time that our Provincial and Federal politicians open up this debate and tell us the true cost of keeping Quebec accustomed to their lavish lifestyle at our expense.
the sooner the better

Canada should stop all equalization payments to Quebec as it is not a have not province by any definition. Not to discriminate the entire equalization program should be scrapped. French is imposed on English Canada but I find too often French only in Que and no biligualism, this is an insult to English speakers. No party should be allowed in Parliment if it is not a national party. If Quebec wants to separate, by all means possible lets help them keep their identity and help them out the door.

“founding nations of this country” “it is only fair”
Sorry Sylvie you are so sadly wrong.
New France was seceded to Great Britain by the the Treaty of Paris, 1763. France did give up all their rights and responsibilities to this country then.
Quebec is not a “founding nation”, France could be considered such but since they are long defeated by war and by treaty they hold no rights in this country or from any corner of it, anywhere.
The traitors hard at work in our governments especially over the past few years are just that, traitors. Jean Charest should put up against a wall along with Gilles Duceppe and the entire bunch of racist Bloc Quebecois.
That’s my free dom of expression I’m sure yours is something to the affect of “human rights!”.
I have no problem with the province of Quebec having french only laws or other provinces wanting to be bilingual but the federal government should get out of the language debate completely and end the official languages crap.
Like one of the other commentors said this country is being held hostage and I would add by some myth that the french are in anyway entitled to their culture especially from a federal point of view.
Quebec is mostly just a blood sucker and nothing else, they add nothing or little to this country’s well being and are constantly being a pain in the ass with their handouts for more of this or more of that, more more more.
Jean Charest was on the news this morning receiving an award from the president of France, for what I’m not sure , treason I suppose, wonder who paid for that little trip across the sea : )

We should facilitate Quebec leaving. There would be the usual hand wringing but let’s get it over with, the sooner the better.

If Quebec wants to leave and become their own separate country for goodness sake let them go . But there will be no money going to Quebec from the rest of Canada or Gov’t contracts. Perhaps this separation would save TRUE CANADIANS billions of dollars. The rest of Canada needs the money to get back on it’s feet.

Let us face facts if you do not want to be part of a TEAM just quit.

There’s no question about the sentiments of the people in the ROC! The problem is: how to deal with the situation. This is a good question but we’ve been talking and writing about it for years. Yes, it is QUEBEC and the ABORIGINALS, or should I say the Dept. of Indian Affairs? Think of the vested interests in every problem and we have a phalanx of resistance that nobody can fight! But keep working on it; we need to find a way to deal with it.

I think that if PQ wants to separate Canada should let them.. It’s costing taxpayers literally billions of dollars to placate them and they still are not happy.. Let them try to make it on their own and put taxpayers money into the rest of Canada for a change.

Official Bilingualism, because of its anti-English discrimination is nothing less than the Battle of the Plains of Abraham, Round 2 that French Canada has been winning for about 40 years.

Why do we in the rest of Canada put up with Quebecs nonsence and demands?
They cost the rest of the Country billions of dollars and what do we get, Inferior products like our kithchen table that will not close properly and is literaly falling apart at the seams. I will not fly in a bombardiar plane if it were free, to many accidents. I will not buy anything made in Qubec in the future. Now Rona owns Totem so I have to avoid both outlets.
I know of a cookie factory designed and built in Alberta which is very succesful with its product. However the owner informed me, he had to spend more money on getting French on the labels than he spent on the total production equipment, let alone the delay in having it approved. All civil servants have to be bilingual and the rest of us can not understand most of them. I have been told, by retired service men, that in the Canadian Armed Forces one can not be advanced to any degree without speeking french So I say the sooner they leave Canada the better. I will never learn French as long as I live because they insist on shoving it down our throats. Knowing two or more languages is wonderful but not on the condition that Quebec puts on the rest of Canadians.

Am I happy to see how the Commentators are commenting. The true facts and proper rights are showing up in grand scale. There is no such thing as equal rights for people in Canada especially for those that were born here. It seems that most members of parliament would like to keep it this way. They feel so important and have no time to lend an ear to us. As you can read from the writers above and others that you mingle with, in order to make changes for the good of this country, we have to find a leader outside the government and to organize the changes that most Canadians long for. Folks, it can’t happen any too soon and I for one am willing to start paying into a fund to accomplish what will be known as the better way. For all those in agreement let us now start searching for that leader and fund our wishes with financial teeth. Who might you know would be available and honest? London, Ontario.

It’s about to being fair to Canada not just Quebec the equalization payments should be just that equal payments. Bilingualism is not fair to the rest of Canadians let’s be fair and cost effective let have bilingual info available in relation to population not 50% everywhere it is not practical or financially fisable. GO CANADA GO!!! Lets be fair to each other. That all folks. (remember Quebec Hydro profits don’t count when Quebec’s position in equaization program)

I think Canada should have a referendum on whether we want to keep Quebec in our Federation. Put all the costs on the table so people know what they are voting for and then we’ll see where it goes. For my part,I will vote to have them leave Canada.

Look at my name I live as far from Quevec as I can Vancouver Island, The sooner we get shed of Quebec the better for all of Canada. It can’t happen soon enough.
JM

I am a Canadian born in this great Country and fast approaching my eightieth birthday For most of those years I was a part of the group that would have done anything and would have supported anything in order to keep the Province of Quebec within Canada
A few years ago I began to change my view and now have swung over to the exact opposite side of the issue There is no question that Quebecers are different and they should be allowed to have their own Country They do not think the same as other Canadians and because of their cultural heritage their allegiance is to Quebec and not to Canada

We have a wonderful Country but unfortunately nothing can be decided rationally on a National basis because Quebec in effect has the veto
There have many examples of this over the years

I have thought long and hard as to the solution to our problem The answer of course is separation Separation should not be feared and it would not be the end of the world The Quebecers could develop their Country as they chose and the rest of Canada could move ahead
with the many projects needed to continue to keep Canada in its position as the best Country in the world

The first step in my opinion is to hold a referendum in all of Canada excluding the Province of Quebec asking one simple question
Should the Province of Quebec be allowed to remain as part of Canada ? The answer to this question would then allow Canada to carry on as usual ( if the affirmative won ) or to commence the planning necessary to facilitate the separation ( if the negative vote prevailed )

There are many who will say that this is far too simple a solution and that the problem is far to comples to solve with one question
My resonse is that we have been treating it as a complicated situationfor over one hundred and thirty years without success and perhaps now is the time to look at a ” simple ” solution

What say YOU ???

For the past 30 years successive federal governments have tried to accommodate Quebec by giving more money, power, etc. etc. with very limited success. It’s like the ROC (Rest of Canada) has been playing the straight man in a comedy routine and inevitably getting a pie in the face; all for the sake of national unity. If other provinces setup barriers to Quebec as Quebec has successfully done, the cries of humiliation would be deafening. Sorry Canada, it’s a no win situation. It is death by a thousand blows and billions of taxpayer dollars. To the ‘Sovereigntists’, ‘Separatistes’, intellectuals, artistes, etc. etc. it will never be enough because they will continue to claim the ROC (aka English Canada has denied them their rightful place in history. They will continue to demand more and more. They have their ‘National Assembly’ and signs that refer to Quebec City as “Our Nation’s Capital”. Quebec separation was further legitimized when Mr. Harper declared Quebec, not the Francophones, a nation. Typically, it blew up in his face. We will continue to pay for the Nation de Quebec as they continue to establish their embassies in foreign countries and make their special deals with France. (By the way, in France I was intrigued to see subtitles on Quebecois sitcoms.). No more bribes, no more extortion, let the ROC have a referendum to determine the future of the Nation de Quebec in Canada. Actually they left awhile ago but we are still paying their bills.

If the french language and culture is so important it will surely survive without the rest of Canada supporting it. If it does’t survive then I guess it didn’t matter enough to enough poeple.
Let’s take it off life support and see what happens - maybe it will flourish and Quebec can stand proud of itself for keeping their culture alive and showing its importance, instead of always telling Canada how important it is and begging for money.

Until we have a majority government, nothing like the excellent and much needed changes proposed above will ever happen! I fear Canadians have missed the boat now and will be faced with minority (coalition type) governments for the foreseeable future. Instead of a Conservative majority government, which would have had the power to open up our Constitution that badly needs overhauling and updating, we will be spinning our wheels poliitically. A minority government cannot possibly deal with any of these urgent problems: the enforcement of costly bilingualism on the entire country, the Indian Act, property rights for our aboriginals on their reservations, our Senate needs overhauling badly, the Quebec “problem” and a flat tax for Canadian citizens and businesses would be wonderful, to name only a few. This is a democracy and we are stuck with an indecisive electorate, sadly.

Just why is Quebec a ‘ Have not province ” ?? They receive billions of dollars from the American New England States from the sale of power from the Churchill Falls and James Bay projects , and share it with no one . Yet we still throw them more millions . WHY ???

It’s all about the money…. They could separate anytime - they just don’t want to be pay back what they owe the rest of Canada…. e need a clever person with a clever solution to solve the unending BLoc issue..

The funniest (and most pathetic) recently was Bloc, NDP and liberals forming a supposed coalition… How could anyone take it seriously - they supposedly want out of Canada - they don’t want to part of it - OOOoppps I forgot whatever is a possible Bloc advantage is worth trying — and Laytons just an idiot… What can you say about the Liberals - they had a leader they didn’t want in signing a coaliton agreement - And these men apparently have the vision to lead a country!!!

I am a poor quebecer tired of listening to the same complaints by our controling minority of leftists beggers, the Anglos should let quebec seperate, but in a regional referendum, you would see that the separatist allegiance is concentrated in East Montreal,
The majority of quebecers are just fed up at this pseudo-intellectual establishment greasy-haired that hates everything that is Anglosaxons.
How can we take some of our time discussing about them. we give them just too much importance.

Quebec is also going to receive $6.5 billion (more than they should get) from the stimulus fund to augment their existing huge hydro-electric system. Why do they need to expand their production of electricity? They have the James Bay project giving them huge amounts of electricity. Their electric power will be sold to the States and the remainder of Canada to make huge profits for themselves. I can’t believe the feds are giving Quebec so much extra money. Are they dumb or is Quebec much better at making a case for themselves?

OK - replace the word ‘dumb’ with ‘unfairly favouring Quebec with their stimulus program’.

I believe I was told once that Quebec was a smaller province until the Federal government asked Quebec to be watchdog over what is now called Northern Quebec. I say return Northern Quebec to the federal Government so we can still reach Labrador and require Quebec to separate. Separate means just that - entirely. No Sovereign Nation or any of that loose talk. They have cried Wolf once too often for my liking. Has Bombardier paid back the millions of dollars they have received?
While on the subject I think the First Nations are also milking us dry, I would like to see a true statement of what a two children, two parent family on a Reserve receives after their personal claims for dentistry, Alberta Health, University, portions of reserve benefits etc are all added up and divided to represent the virtual family.. Perhaps it will prove that the “family” is still out of work and poor, but on the other hand maybe it will prove that A First Nations family in fact has lts to live on, thus proving that reserves don’t manage themselves well. The federal government likely knows the answer to my question but never publicizes it. Just how much money in total can be divided back into the ncome of a four member family?First Nations Family

OK, OK, - Canada should audit the books of the Quebec govt to determine where all the transfer payment money is being spent. It should not be to promote their language or separatism.
I keep reminding my self that $6.5 billion is 6.5 million million dollars.
I hope I don’t have to keep moderating my comments.

I am a francophone Québecker and I say call Québec’s bluff. What the Bloc represents is essentially treason. Let’s have a national referendum to determine whether secessionist parties can exist and then, when most canadians (and even some Québeckers) decide that treason is not acceptable, let’s TRASH them. WHile we are at it, on the same ticket, we should ask Canadians if they would like to completely sever ties with the monarchy. I think the answer would be yes to both questions. Let’s grow up and put our pants on!

If Quebec is a nation, as well as a province, and the other provinces are not each nations, then the other provinces are not equal to Quebec.
That being so, there is no justifiable reason for the unequal Quebec “nation” to receive Equalization Payments as do the other provinces.
Therefore, cut all future Equalization Payments to Quebec nation, and let the chips fall where they may.
End of old story. Beginning of new one! No muck. No fuss. No cost of special commissions, etc.

Dot Fuhrman sys,
I am really impressed with intelligent letters submitted . How come this information is not pubished in all of Canada’s papers or on the public radios? Please let the ROC see what Fools have been to keep feeding the screaming baby when he is receiving more than his share of wealth since the day he lost his nipple at the Battle of the Plains. ?
The press is to blame for not publishing the above information. They seem to be afraid to use the words forced Offcial bilingualism , or Quebec is receiving over 50% of the total of transfer payments, July 1st celebrations, or little progress is being made in forcing our country in becoming completly bilingual. The 18 BILLION dollar cost per year is ingnored and the loss of any government jobs are not there for the English speaking race. We have been taken over by a small minority who will call us bigots or racists if we speak up about this injustice.
Yes, it is time to hold a referendum for the ROC whether we want Quebec to be apart of this great country. The soon the better or it will be too late. The west is sick and tired of dishing our billions while Quebec greadily keeps very penny from the Churchill and James Bay projects -land that was givnen to them years ago to appease them when they threataened to leave us. Further more that property was really part of New Found Land who were forced to give it to Quebec. Please go and find another sucker.

WE HAVE PAID SO MUCH FOR QUEBEC TODATE THAT IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO SEE THEM SEPARATE. FOR QUEBEC AND THE REST OF CANADA’S SAKE, QUEBEC SHOULD REMAIN IN CONFEDERATION BUT THEIR BS SHOULD DISAPEAR. WE DON’T NEED THAT ANY LONGER. QUEBEC SHOULD PAY THEIR WAY LIKE PEOPLE IN ONTARIO AND OTHER PROVINCES DO. NO MORE HANDOUTS. NO MORE DOUBLE STANDARDS. NO MORE BLACKMAIL. STAND ON YOUR OWN QUEBEC OR STAND ALONE.

When it comes to bilingualism I think Canadians wine too much, then again we wine too much about everything. Much of Europe is bilingual or multilingual, they do not cry about it and are all the better for it. That being said though Quebec should definitely be more considerate and not keep playing the separation card. All it does is scare away investment and drain political energy that could be used productively. That’s all I ask, keep your special status just stop the threatening. This alone would help Canada greatly.

Thank you NCC for initiating and stimulating a needed debate on urgent national public policy. If it is the NCC’s mandate to educate and to inform the Canadian public about unreasonably costly government initiatives and wasteful spending, you have triggered off the start of an interesting debate. Please continue the debate, and fund the research dollars needed to expose the immense cost and resultant gross wastefulness of spending nationally by the Feds, Provinces, Municipalities, Corporations, and Citizens merely to comply with the Official Bilingualism and Biculturalism policy and law. This policy is costing the Canadian economy around $20B per year; its accumulated cost over the past 40 years since its inception by Prime Minister Trudeau is in excess of $1T. Just think of what our country could do and achieve with the better part of the currently $20B directed otherwise towards funding research, health care, education, industrial development, and tax reduction? I rest my case.

Firstly, as is obvious from the above comments, there is nothing like a common ‘enemy’ to unite a movement. That is the easy part. However, you know that whenever these comments move from a form such as this into the main politically correct media, they will be moved to “hate mongering against an identified minority”status immediately.
Secondly, this apparent unity will be subjected to immense stress, from inside and out. The Reform Party began as a populist movement but when it tried to move out of its friendly regional confines, it couldn’t withstand the pressure to “conform or get out of the kitchen”.

Quebec’s separation from the Federation of Canada is not going to solve the problem of bilingualism in the rest of Canada, especially in Ontario. No one seems to remember that the Official Bilingualism Act was foisted upon Canadians without their consent and ever since Canadians have repeatedly rejected, in one way or another, this illegal burden. Parliamentary Democracy functions successfully but is contingent on the integrity of Parliamentarians. Canadians were treacherously betrayed by the Liberal Party way back when Mike Pearson used a Royal Commission to study bilingualism/bi-culturalism, thereby circumventing the will of the people. Some of my readers may recall that several members of that Commission were Communists and some were prosecuted for espionage and found quilty. Too many of the Commission members were French. Along with the B & B Commission, Mr. Pearson persuaded the provincial premiers to surrender some of their rights by way of the Canada Health Care Act. A very clever Marxist tactic to centralize control. But who would be willing to criticize Pearson for such “a beloved” system of health care . Surely not the present day leftists.

Then came the Charter of Rights; rights for the French at the expense of the English. The passing of this tragic end to our Freedom has been best described by one of the UK Parliamentarians as “a fraud” and “deception” More of the same kind of trickery that had ushered in the OL Act. “The People” of Canada were not consulted about the 1982 Constitution. You mayrecall the many Constitutional Conferences thro out the country that Trudeau used once again to exclude Canadians from participation in the government of their country.

Our best strategy now is to bring to the public dialogue loss of control of our government. Educate the electorate so that Canadians demand a r eturn to Parliamentary Democracy. The use of Referendum has now been established in Quebec and Canadians must be persuaded to demand a Referendum on the policy of bilingualism in the Country. We must also demand that French Canadians who want to live and work in the French language, return to Quebec where some half million people have left because of the language problem. The argument that they fear assimilation is bogus. If they do fear assimilation, what’s keeping them in English Canada. There will be no reason for them to hang around if their French language skills are no longer required.

How are we going to do this. Organize groups, run for public office, persuade your friends, talk loudly about the fraud and deception and how it has been imposed upon Canadians contrary to our English Parliamentary heritage. Be careful who you vote for - not for Dalton McGuinty.

Wow this is incredible. How can we harness this force and make something happen for a change. I hope you are all sending this Blog to all your friends, especially in Quebec and make sure they read these comments.

Canada is ungovernable right now as long as the Bloc has most of the seats in Quebec. And they are an illigitimate participant in the political subsidy which should only be paid to legitimate national parties.

quebec should be encouraged to leave with what they are entitled, one hundred miles north of the st laurence - and not with land they stole from canada with the help of french canadien politicians while most canadians were just learning to read - and sooner - not later -gf

Unless something Internationally cataclismic happens that wakes up all CANADIANS, it is too late. Both factions have spun their own insular, (divisive), ethnic, (them & us) cocoons. In the long run, there are not and will not be any winners. Credit petty, ignorant,self-serving ikonoclastic stupidity.

I believe All Canadians no matter where they live, what color they are, or religous beliefs,or status you call yourself, YOU ARE CANADIANS PERIOD!! NO HYPHENATIONS. NO DISTINCT SOCIETIES,NO FIRST AND FOREMOST!!My family is now seventh generation CANADIANs.My family has fought in every major war since the 1800’s, and many minor wars. They originated in upper and lower Canada as it was called back then. My parents homesteaded in BC in 1904. They suffered untold hardships but they, nor their decendents have ever turned their backs on CANADA! If Quebec wants out of Canada TELL THEM TO BUY TICKET TO FRANCE AND WAVE THEM A FOND FAREWELL.
TELL THE iNDIANS THIS COUNTRY WAS SETTLED MOSTLY BY EUROPEANS AND ARE OWED NOTHING MORE THAN OTHERS WHO SETTLED THIS NATION. CLAIMS THAT THEY WERE THE FOUNDING NATION IS UNPROVED AND UNPROVABLE.
THE SOONER WE ABOLISH THIS SPECIAL PRIVILEDGE GARBAGE THE BETTER OFF CANADA AND ALL CANADIANS WILL BE!

It’s quite simple really. Quebec should leave and we should help them pack. I am real tired of those thumb suckers bleeding us dry and whining all the time. Time to cut them loose and let them sink or swim on their own.

GOOD BYE

Perhaps we should renew our confederation every 50 years or so. The people who want to join together could decide on who should not be a member.

English speaking Canada has for many years elected prime ministers from the province of Quebec. No wonder the province has been favoured. Who are the stupid ones? And it almost happened again when the Liberal party elected another leader who cannot even speak english. If the country would vote for a leader from somewhere else than the province of Quebec maybe things would change.

Can you think what the USA would do if Texas said they wanted to form their own country and have nothing more to do with the USA.

In the U.S., when individual states joined the union, they had to agree that the union was indivisible and that they would never secede.

Quebec should be given an ultimatum. Sign on to the Constitution or go it alone. Oh, and I think that Quebec, if they don’t sign, their borders should be reduced to the original borders along the St. Lawrence river, a postage stamp of what they are now. Can it be done? Yes. Canada has reduced the borders of Quebec on other occasions, so there is precedence. This one would just be the most dramatic.

I think we are all tired of this ‘tail wagging the dog’ scenerio. Perhaps a referendum is once again in order - this time outside of Quebec - to get a real feel for what Canadians think. Enough is enough. A seperated Quebec cut off from the Federal lifelines and their giant sucking straw to the treasury dept. would supply a much needed dose of reality.

OF COURSE QUEBEC IS HOLDING THE REST OF CANADA HOSTAGE AND HAS FOR YEARS WITHOUT ANY POSITIVE OUTLOOK FOR THE REST OF CANADA. LETS GET THIS UNHEALTHY SITUATION CLEARED UP FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL CANADIANS. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

For those in Eastern Ontario you know that a form of Bill 101 has crossed the Quebec border. For those that don’t know, in many communities of Eastern Ontario it is now ILLEGAL to put up an English only sign in front of your store. These forced French sign laws are illegal in Canada, so says the Supreme Court in Ford V Quebec 1988. This is the case that shot down Bill 101
http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/1988/1988rcs2-712/1988rcs2-712.html
Read sections:
- (c) Freedom of Expression, and
- III The Judgments of the Superior Court and the Court of Appeal
I have been dealing with the Premier of Ontario in support of Human rights and our Canadian Constitution. He argued that Section 14 of the FLSA,
www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90f32_e.htm, allows municipalities to pass laws related to bilingual services. I responded with the fact that section 14 refers to municipal service NOT private business and the Supreme Court decision above determined the individual has the right to use whatever language they wish to on Commercial signs. Dalton McGuinty now refuses to talk to me. In his opinion “it would be inappropriate, for me as premier, to intervene in these matters.” (I have it in writing from Dalton McGuinty himself)
I am not finished with this fight at all by any means. I am just getting started. The fact that Dalton is running from the issue only reaffirms I am headed in the right direction. Everyone that reads this post should contact their local provincial MP (http://www.ontariotenants.ca/government/mpp.phtml) and push section 2b of OUR Constitution and the Supreme Court decisions in Ford V Quebec 1988.
I will be seeing Phil McNeely (mp Orleans) soon to bring forward a public bill that will reaffirm human rights and freedom of expression in Ontario. If this bill is not supported by the Ontario Liberal party and presented in Queen’s Park it will only confirm the liberals have no interest in protecting Human rights in Ontario. I know it will take time to draft the bill, but I am very confident it will be written. If it gets read or passed is another story all together. These racially based language laws serve but one group of people in a multicultural society and must be prohibited from every being allowed to exist in a FREE Canada.
The people of Russell Ontario are taking their Mayor to court to get back their right to put up signs in the language(s) of their choice as the Constitution GUARANTEES. We should all be proud and supportive of them. They are doing what all Canadians should be…. teaching these French racists that their ideals are no longer acceptable in the WORLD let alone in Canada.

Read the item in the National Post of today wednesday 4th Feb to find out what goes on in equalization payments and how Danny Williams is trying to put butter on both sides of his political bread. I think it is high time the whole process was opened up for a transparent review and presented to the public without the federal/provincial politicos being allowed any comment for 30 days or sufficient time for everyone to digest the raw truth before it is distorted by the Pros and the Feds.
The original idea of equalization was to give all citizens roughly equal access to government services and infrastructure. The data presented here clearly show an overwhelming and unsustainable advantage to Quebec, a “have” Province. The suggestion in the National Post of how much Danny gets forgiven the adding of oil revenues and the effects discriminatory labour practices that benefit the people of Newfoundland to the disadvantage of other Canadians suggest that traditional oil and gas producer Provinces are getting penalized to help the man who pulled down the Maple Leaf in a tantrum and makes noises also about separation.
Maybe the two neighbours would make a good separated package to the advantage of the ROC.

I don’t know if it’s really all Canadians are not interested in equalization, but I think it’s worth it and not just in Quebec but across the country with so many different cultures living together. I think it’s a very square-headed point of view to say that equalization is not important to most Canadians when the trend is that most Canadians are immigrants, children of immigrants, or were immigrants at some point.

Below is the email I send to Dalton Mcguinty that he refuses to answer.
Think I hit the nail on the head ????? you decide
Mr. McQuinty… reference you re email to me below.
Your Response to me as to whether you support forced French language laws being imposed on privately owned businesses.
“ Thanks for your online message regarding language signs in Eastern Ontario. I value your views and appreciate the time you took to make me aware of them.
Our government recognizes the important contribution that the francophone community has made to the province’s historical, cultural and linguistic heritage. That is why the Government of Ontario adopted the French Language Services Act, 1986. The act guarantees each individual in Ontario the right to receive provincial government services in French in 25 designated areas of the province.
In 2007, our Government created the Office of the French Language Services Commissioner to ensure greater transparency and accountability in the delivery of French-language services. The establishment of this office marks a historical milestone in the recognition of the rights of Francophones in Ontario, but in no way restricts the language rights of Anglophones, nor indicates that Ontario is becoming an officially bilingual province.
Municipalities and local boards, as defined in the Municipal Act, 2001, are exempt from the provisions of the French Language Services Act (FLSA). However, section 14 (1) of the FLSA states that municipalities may pass a by-law providing that all or specified municipal services to the public will be available in both French and English. This section also provides for the adoption of a by-law allowing for the business of the municipality to be conducted in both languages.
The issues you have identified regarding bilingual signage are within the jurisdiction of municipalities, and, therefore, it would not be appropriate for me, as Premier, to intervene. The province recognizes municipalities as responsible governments with the authority to make decisions about matters within their jurisdiction, and as accountable to their electors for these decisions. You may wish to forward your views directly to the municipalities. You may also wish to consult the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing’s website at www.mah.gov.on.ca/site4.aspx to find information about how citizens can become involved in municipal planning decisions in their own communities.
Thanks again for contacting me. Please accept my best wishes.

Dalton McGuinty
Premier of Ontario”

1. I never once asked about the bilingual services provided by the provincial or municipal governments. I don’t care if they are offered in 300 languages provided they are needed and not a waste of my tax dollars. So paras 1and 2 are the typical politician’s ramblings that we voters have come to expect from our public officials. Much ado about nothing
2. Para 3 dealing with section 14 (1) of the FLSA DOES NOT include signs on “Mom and Dad’s coffee and donut shop” either. These signs are not municipal signs.
Eastern Ontario Town councils are passing laws that force “MOM and DAD” to put up signs in both official languages on their PRIVATELY owned stores. This denies the right of a human being to their language of choice. “Mom and Dad” are no longer allowed to put up an English only sign on their store. If they do they will be charged and fined; what a disgrace.
The Canadian Constitution protects Mom and Dad’s right to express their message in the language of their choosing… so says the Supreme Court of Canada.
Ford V Quebec 1988
http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/1988/1988rcs2-712/1988rcs2-712.html
“ VII

Whether the Freedom of Expression Guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and by s. 3 of the Quebec Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms Includes the Freedom to Express Oneself in the Language of One’s Choice

39. In so far as this issue is concerned, the words “freedom of expression” in s. 2(b) of the Canadian Charter and s. 3 of the Quebec Charter should be given the same meaning. As indicated above, both the Superior Court and the Court of Appeal held that freedom of expression includes the freedom to express oneself in the language of one’s choice. “
Even in Quebec their language laws are illegal. The difference there is to force their laws down the throats of the English and ethnic minorities the PQ pulled out the notwithstanding clause, which only the federal or provincial governments can use not the mayor in a town. How’s that for a fine example of discrimination. Mom and dad can open a store in Canada using the language of their choosing on their store signs except in Quebec and now parts of Ontario. ”
Race: any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race. For those who think that Language is not a characteristic of a race… I guess they have never heard of a French Canadian, Francophone, or Anglophone.
Language laws only serve to promote racial division within communities. Just look at Russell Ontario. The English in that community are taking their mayor to court so they can have the right to put up English only signs on their store fronts and you think,
“The issues you have identified regarding bilingual signage are within the jurisdiction of municipalities, and, therefore, it would not be appropriate for me, as Premier, to intervene.”
Your sit on the fence position is directly responsible for the situation in Russell.
As you pointed out in your response… section 14 deals with municipal services and therefore councils DO NOT have the right to enact laws that force private business to use bilingual signs. The PQ French language rights law have come to Ontario and you feel it is inappropriate to step in and protect human rights or uphold the Constitution of Canada. I guess a liberal is a liberal… and as the Federal ones have recently shown …. Voting liberal is no better than voting bloc or PQ.
From the response you gave me am I to presume you are content with illegal laws being passed in Ontario? That you support language laws forced on human beings more than you support human rights. You have no interest in upholding or protecting out Canadian Constitution? You are content with letting the people use the courts to do your job?
The old saying is true …It takes a soldier to provide and defend democracy and human rights…. It requires a politician to that will take it away.
I am retiring after 24 years in the military and I will not stand idly by while you let Quebec language law rule the people of Ontario. Those that do not speak French or wish to use French have the equal right not to display it on their business. It is our right as human beings to choose how we wish to run our daily lives.
It is you duty and responsibility to ensure MOM and DAD have the right to choose what language they put on the signs of their privately owned business anywhere in Ontario.
The only question that remains, is will you protect human rights or allow language laws forced on individuals? The two can not co exist

@ Ben
Mr. Harper cut payments to Newfoundland in the budget to ” punish” Danny Williams for his ABC campaign. It is the vendictive side of our PM. The one side of him I am not impressed with.

Anthony….Maybe Newfoundland should try to stand on it’s own two feet and stop crying for more money after Canada has given,given ,given for 60 years !!!Sounds very much like another one of our provinces …no

Dear Sylvie ,perhaps if La belle province started giving instead of crying poor all the time …it would get more respect and more support for their culture etc .I live in Ottawa and it’s a crying shame what we waste to preserve youe culture .You can only cry poor and downtrodden for so long and then others lose their respect . It’s like a child in a family of ten begging for more than his confreres ,because it’s different !!!

Rebuttle to Sylvie’s “…only fair that Francophones everywhere in Canada have the right to live and work in their mother tongue …”.
Where, when, how and by whom was this “right” bestowed upon Francophones? Do Anglophones have the same right in Quebec? I think not! And why only the Francophones? There were many other races with their languages and cultures that helped to settle and build Canada, some even before the French. Such a claim can only be based on illigitmate legislation such as the Official Languages Act and the convoluted Charter of (fewer) Rights and (limited) Freedoms, and the inherent culture of entitlement of the French People.
Her “… one of the founding nations of this Country.” is false, in that never in the history of North America, particularly Canada, was there ever a French NATION. French Colonies, yes. Nation, NO! French people, yes, Nation No! France abandonded, by treaty in 1763, all of its colonies in northern North America, to Great Britain. Canada, the NATION we know today evolved from this attempted (but failed) union of the two racial/linguistic groups … English and French.

In my last comment I forgot to again thank the NCC for running this operation to allow people to openly comment and state their opinion. Back to the subject of Canada Vs Quebec and separation I’m aware that Canada somehow gave a large portion of Land to Quebec just over 100 years ago which
included the areas of the two big Power Plants that Quebec is using to transfer electricity to New England in return for huge chunks of $US. I don’t believe that Quebec ever paid anything for that now valuable land. Canada should immediately make it clear that in the event of separation by Quebec, that Canada’s Surveyors will be out there to re-align their boundaries. Quebec
for the most part has shown its self to be ruthless and thankless for what the ROC has tried to make them satisfied. It is high time for ROC to stand up and refuse to give anything more! Give the Bloc orders to move out now. Canada is crazy for paying the Bloc to destroy us. They are just bad apples which simply decay those around them. PS: Jack Layton is not much
if any better than the Bloc he wishes to be in bed with. Thanks again NCC for the use of your system and keep up your good work. Stephen G. London, On.

I totaly agree that the sooner we stop pandering to Quebec the greater Canada will be, with or without Quebec. I also agree that if Quebec does seperate that their land claim is a narrow strip along the St. Lawrence. I am impressed with the intelligent comments. We need more debate about many other subjects in Canada. These issues are far too important to leave to politicians whose only concern is how to get re-elected. We need to do what is right, not what is politically correct.

@ ken.. Sorry to take so long to respond. RL got in the way.
I see what is happening all across Canada. I have lived from Vancouver Island to Newfoundland with stops in between. I now live in Ottawa, the heart of the French battle ground for control of the English and ethnic minorities.
Newfoundland has not been a “have not” province for close to 20 years. They just made a 23 billion dollar oil deal. Seven of which goes to Ottawa and 4 billion of that going to Quebec. Without Canada Quebec would fail as a country. Quebec is very heavily funded by Canada. The most resent stats showed 1/3 of all social assistance are in the province of Quebec. 40 years of Languages laws and discrimination has ruined the province. Montreal was once the home for over 200 Canadian business headquarters. Fewer than 20 are left. Just last month Quebec “updated” their immigration policy. People who wish to come to Quebec will be required to learn French.
http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/dynamicSearch/telecharge.php?type=2&file=%2F%2FI_0_2%2FI0_2_A.htm
DIVISION III
INTEGRATION OF FOREIGN NATIONALS
The Quebec government has reached a new low. Assimilate or else. They still are so blinded by protecting their language and culture they haven’t accepted the fact they can’t survive in the world without the English money.
I am a big supporter of Quebec’s independence. It is the only way the people of Quebec will see how wrong they are. As a separate country there will be no “new blood” wanting to move to the country that forces people to learn a new language and support a culture that is not their own. As their numbers dwindle away Quebec will realize how wrong they are and wont have the English or ethnic minorities around to blame.
Now the Liberal party of Ontario is allowing the same forced French laws to be enacted on the people of Ontario.
Guess some people never learn from the mistakes of others.
I wonder why some had said Ontario “is not worth investing in”.

Herringcocker is correct in the fact that the French gave up all rights to Canada in 1763. The only provision that was asked of the English was that the French people be allowed to practice their Catholic religion. More importantly the French were given 18 months to decide whether or not to leave Canada and had to sell their land back to the English if they chose to leave.
The “mistake”, if you will”, was made by Guy Carleton in 1774. He “bought ” the loyality of the French when he gave them much of the land that is Quebec today. He did this out of fear that the French might join the American revolution and would have defeated the loyalists. The irony was, without this deal the French would have been ” swallowed up ” in the American style of government … no language rights, no multiculturalism, just all americans.

-The solution is simple: call their bluff and kick the bastards out, the sooner the better.

In my previous submission, (i

In my previous submission, I used the word “ikonoclastic”. Perhaps it was the lateness of the night, however I meant to use the word “anachronistic”. My appologies to whomsoever may have wondered what in the blazes I was talking about.

Anthony …wonder where the 23 billion came from ….not the fishermen . By the way if they have 16 billion left from oil , why are they crying about More equalization …..seems to me if you divided that by 500,000 people they shouln’d need much equalization to survive ….i’m sure they have caught that dreaded quebec disease ..As far as Quebec is concerned you are dead right ,they’ve sucked the blood out of Canada long enough and we are two stupid to stand up to them !!!

As a humanitarian I advocate the sole moral obligation of humankind is the improvement of human welfare. I adhere to the tenet that all humans are created equal and have natural and unalienable rights to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, security of the person and his private property, together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can. The civil rights and liberties of every citizen in Canada are enshrined in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms that makes English and French the offical languages in Canada. The province of Quebec, which has never ratified the Charter, is subject to it nonetheless. Despite this however, the Charter of the French Language (La charte de la langue française), also known as Bill 101, is a law that places restrictions on the use of English defining French, the language of the majority of the population, as the only official language of Quebec and framing fundamental language rights of all Quebecers. The Office québécois de la langue française (OQLF), infamously known as the Language Police, is the commission responsible for conducting the policy pertaining to linguistic officialization, toponymy and francization of civil administration and enterprises in Quebec.

Law 101 and the OQLF were concocted in the corridors of power where we so often search for justice and not merely law. I do not have the right to work as a professional Chemist in Quebec because of this institutionalized, government sponsored (though always denied) discrimination against Quebec Anglophones. Despite the fact that I speak and, to a lesser extent, write French, I am not deemed to have “appropriate knowledge” of French simply because I was educated in English and I graduated from a Quebec secondary school prior to 1985. To become a member of any professional order, I would need to alienate fundamental moral ethics and servilely submit to a condition of consideration and judgment (including the loss of time, wages and incurred travel expenses) by the OQLF – an organization mandated by ideological partisan politicians who coercively abused their power and authority of office, instruments of law and agency, to breed ethnocentrism with all the linguistic discriminatory practices against minority Anglophones and all the suffering, resentment, conflict and possible violence that such discrimination engenders.

I am not allowed to work professionally in Quebec and was recently dismissed from my much needed employment because I dare reclaim my birthright, enshrined in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Section 2), of conscious awareness, assert my free will and assume my moral and ethical responsibility to question the assumptions of the operant societal worldview enforced by a state sanctioned OQLF, rather than just blindly living life in submissive accordance with dominant, out-dated norms and geriatric assumptions that serve only to marginalize and discriminate against the Anglophone and other minorities in Quebec. To add insult to injury our federal Human Resources and Skills Development commission disqualified my application from receiving unemployment benefits, stating that my actions were an act of neglect and misconduct. The Commission relied on inaccurate and false information provided by the employer without cross-examination or verification of that information, and applied non-representative and irrelevant case law to support its decision to deny me unemployment benefits. The Commission, in its misrepresentation of my case, clearly indicated its desire to disengage itself from its obligation, as a federal government agency, to protect chartered rights and freedoms of every Canadian citizen and denies that the responsibility of every Canadian citizen is to defend chartered rights and freedoms, and refers to this as an act of neglect or misconduct unworthy of unemployment benefits.

It is the responsibility of Canadians everywhere to be vigilant and stand on guard against unconstitutional laws backed by the will of an entrenched government that has decided on a course of action and has at its disposal the significant resources of unwitting taxpayers. Quebec Anglophones need to pay rapt attention to the deepening marginalization and discrimination around them; commiserate for the victims of hypocritical deceit and for those who feel a strong sense of loyalty to malevolent, morally reprehensible political and corporate elite; strengthen immunity to political bribery, propaganda and the methods employed by governments to shape thought. As Canadians we tend to forget how each and every one of us has a birthright of conscious awareness and freewill, and we must choose to use our collective powers of free will to change the trends and course of history or suffer the results of perpetuated abrogated rights of minorities for political gains.

With technological advances in transportation, numbers of pluralistic communities are increasing with widespread examples of racial, political, religious, economic, language prejudices with its unreasoned feelings of superiority and discriminatory practices against particular groups. It is too easy to demonize and marginalize minorities – “les autres” – in Quebec. Most often the proposals from our politicians in Ottawa and Quebec re-enforce the message that it is acceptable to marginalize the “other”, that there are two classes of citizens and that there will be no level playing field. From the time these teachings leave the mouths of politicians to the time they filter down and are disseminated in the media and enter the minds of all – from judges to juveniles – the damage is done. Politicians have become too cowardly and too ready to pander to the most retrograde elements in Quebec society; because the same old fear mongering that has been going on for years grabs votes. It grabs votes in the most narrowest way possible, by appealing to the lowest common denominator of Quebec society – not a Canadian society.

23 billion was the oil deal.. not seal oil either… Newfoundland is crying fowl because they are the only province whose had their equalization cut. It was done to “punish” Williams. He is rightfully upset because Harper made the cuts to punish Williams for opposing him in the election. It wasnt done out of fairness or economics. In our democratic society Williams had every right to speak his mind. When was the last time you have seen Quebec lose funding for crying “fowl” for the “unfair” treatment. Never. In fact every time Quebec cries Ottawa gives them more to shut them up. Not to mention the money secretly funnelled into Quebec that we found out about in the Adscam. How much more of Canada’s tax dollars has found its way into Quebec during the Liberal years that we dont know about?

@Ken fyi… there are only 2 provinces in Canada that could seperate and “stand on their own”… Newfoundland and Alberta

@ Don and Dal.. I agree with you like many Canadians. There are two major problems in Canada atm… Quebec and the Liberals. Both need to be removed. Right now there is a large group of people in eastern Ontario that has joined the seperatist movement. The difference is they are all English. Numbers range close to 100,000 and growing. Their view it is time for Canada to vote not Quebec as to whether they deserve our support any more. I personall support the concept that Quebec keeps the land north of the St. Lawrence and the Gaspe pennisula to Montreal is split between Ontario and New Brunswick if for no other reason to maintain the Tran Canada highway from coast to coast.
Somewhere the Constitutional concept of bilingual has been interepted that the services must be provided by 1 human being. The Feds love it because they pay a $900 a year bonus to bi lingual speak people. If seperation isnt possible then I have a second solution. Since French only is the law in Quebec, make the Federal government English and create a translation department who would be ensuring documentation/laws/policies are in both official languages for the 2 “arms” of the government. Then Quebec has their French only hiring policy and the 34% of bilingual manditory jobs in the Federal government will no longer refuse English only candidates from apppling

@Dalton Catchpaugh. I truely sympathize with your situation and you are by no means alone. Many have left for the western provinces for employment. The shame is under the new immgration policy passed in Quebec last year it is about to get worse. I give lectures in the Ottawa area on our Constitution . I hate to tell you this. Section 2 , 7 thru 15 can be denied any Canadain thru use of the Notwithstanding clause. The very document which is suppose to be the Supreme Law in Canada has a major loop hole that allows the Federal or provincial governments to disobey the law. Lets remember this is Trudeau’s “present” to Canada while “opposing” Levesque. Our constitution is based on the French human rights one with 1 HUGH omission. In Quebec, language is defined as a means of discrimination. Trudeau dropped the word language for our Constitution. I have to give the seperatists credit for being patient. 25 years in the making and now they are ready to take over control if Canada without a war.

I like the analogy of Darrell Peregrym likening Quebec’s place in Canada to that of a family member who contributes almost nothing to the welfare of the family but constantly makes demands of the family and whines incessantly and threatens to leave if its demands are not satisfied. History has shown many examples of how nations divided within ( by language or otherwise ) ultimately fail or continually suffer lack of growth and progress because of ill-fated efforts to maintain a homogenous country when one or more of its factions remain constantly at odds with the majority. Simply put, Quebec must either join the family or get out for everyone’s well-being, including Quebec’s. Sadly, our federal politicians, now and most likely always, lack the guts to put the issue to a national plebiscite. It will probably never come to a vote — it will likely happen from sheer necessity and an over-whelming will of Canadians ( even some in Quebec I suspect ) to end this nonsense.

I was just reading an article about the re-enactment of the battle on the plains of Abraham this coming summer to commemorate the 250 th anniversary. Funny how “equality supporters” are opposed as they campare it to waving a red flag at a bull. Yet the Mayor of Quebec city said ” he is looking forward to it and would nt miss it for the world”. Wonder how much of our Tax dollars are being sank into Quebec city to support the tourist event.

Quebec should be treated the same as the rest of Canada and should not get preferential treatment. If they want to seperate, then let them go ahead.

I agree totally that the rest of Canada is being held hostage to Quebec separatists. As a taxpaper, I cannot sanction the money that Quebec is awarded vis-a-vis the rest of the Canadian provinces and territories, whether it be in the form of transfer payments or projects awarded to Quebec companies or government industries established in Quebec. Enough is enough!

Traditionally, westerners are passive individuals believeing that they will be treated fairly, but that is not the case. If there are individuals in Quebec, which there are, who do not want to be part of Canada, then they can leave Canada for wherever they want to live (but not in Canada as we know it) and leave the rest of us alone. They are costing us too much money whether it be in the form of govt handouts, bilingualism or whatever. Furthermore, if you travel to Quebec, signage is in one language only, that is French. Why are we tolerting this when the rest of the country has to abide by different rules?

Also, why are we tolerating a national separatist party that was established and is in existance only to serve Quebec separatists. It is not a national party and should not be allowed to continue in federal politics.

The coup by the NDP, Liberals and the Bloc has had one positive outcome. It has awakened westeners to the point that there is a strong movement to fight for our rights and if necessary, to form a strong coalition against the separatist movement in Quebec, but starting a separatist ourselves.

I think Canada has done more than enough for Quebec and Quebec should not be awarded anything further. As previously stated, if there are those who do not want to be part of Canada, then pack your bags and go, just leave the rest of us, who truly believe in a united Canada, alone.

On Quebec and bilingualism:
One thing needs to be added to tis discussion: Canada has been spending millions on bilingualism for years and this is completely futile. It is futile, because the reason for this program is all about what WAS, not what IS , let alone what WIIL be.

No amount of sentimental attachment, nor the facts of the past will make any difference,
no language will make any headway unless there is a darn good purpose for learning it and unless there is a reasonable chance to utilize it.
Like it or not, that is not the case in most of our country today and will not be again. It’s time to face the music and move on…

Also, I am very glad to see so many to think the previously unthinkable: it is time to get a move on with Quebec. ROC could be the one to call it quits. The Swedes and Norwegians have done it and more recently the Czechs and the Slovaks. No war, no big deal.
After decades of mutual grievances under the old arrangement, the Czechs and Slovaks could not be more lovey-dovey these days!

It’s time to cut Quebec loose. Canada (ROC) will never function properly & develop the wealth it could with Quebec skimming it off the top. By the way–it must realize that on separation, Rupert’s Land–the vast area of northern Quebec came from the Britsin 1927 when Quebec was part of Canada. When Quebec goes,–& the sooner the better- the former Rupert’s Land stays with ROC.

To NCC: The above comments are so important and mostly all reflect similar views that something should be done with these to share with members across the entire spectrum . It would be worthwhile to ask members for their comments on these comments to perhaps get the views of all rather than those who have taken time out to write such very important information. Thank you for your very good service, Stephen in London, On.

I interviewed for the B&B Commission, i wrote my MasterTheses on the role of French-Cnandian nationalism and the Supranationalism of the Vatican I did my research at the National archives of Canada, the archives of the Duke of Norfolk who was the liaison between Canada and and the Vatican before the arrival of the nuncio, and at the Vatican Secret Archives. the research showed that the french language is used as a vehicule to vaticanize Canada. No politician no business leader and no newpaper can speak against the enforces french language without being accused of being anti-catholic. The french only make up a small portion of the catholics in Canada. e.g Poles, Irish, Ukranians, Italians,Goan Indians, Vietnamese, Croatians and Haitians. No politician can afford to antagonize the Vatican, who can mobilize the whole country against him/her or the Party.. The imperialism of the Vatican (supranationalism) affects e ery country in the world. Why not Canada?The Jesuits have been replaced by the secret Opus Dei , the personal prelature of John Paul II. The mandate of Opus Dei is to infiltrate the media,televion and radio, the publishing houses and the lobbying groups, It is no wonder that the sincere efforts of the citizens who wanr a united Canada cannot get their voices heard. The Vatican who is suppose to be supranationalist is using the nationalism of the French Canadians to Vaticanize Canada.

I would like to think there is a way of dealing with this issue that would allow all residents of Quebec to be more directly in control of their destination within Canada.
If we required all Federal Political Parties to adopt some common principles, it would ensure that whoever the residents of Quebec vote for in a Federal elelction, they would actually be voting for a party that supports maintaining our wonderful Nation of Canada.
The common principles would be:
1. Must run delegates in all Provinces and territories.
2. Must run at least 155 delegates (so if elected they could have a majority).
3. One of their political planks would be the continuation of Canada as the Nation we have today, not some split-up version of it.
All we need to do is convince the current group (Liberals, Tories, NDP) to pass a law that includes these items as defining a Federal Political party.
If Quebecers still want to have a unique party to ‘represent’ them, they can keep the Bloc as a Provincial party

I would like to think there is a way of dealing with this issue that would allow all residents of Quebec to be more directly in control of their destination within Canada.
If we required all Federal Political Parties to adopt some common principles, it would ensure that whoever the residents of Quebec vote for in a Federal election, they would actually be voting for a party that supports maintaining our wonderful Nation of Canada.
The common principles would be:
1. Must run delegates in all Provinces and territories.
2. Must run at least 155 delegates (so if elected they could have a majority).
3. One of their political planks would be the continuation of Canada as the Nation we have today, not some split-up version of it.
All we need to do is convince the current group (Liberals, Tories, NDP) to pass a law that includes these items as defining a Federal Political party.
If Quebecers still want to have a unique party to ‘represent’ them, they can keep the Bloc as a Provincial party

Here is the future of Canada in the Hands of the Liberals

http://thereview.on.ca/topstory179.php

Liberals are simple Bloc memebers wrapped in our Canadian Flag

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