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The proposed coalition government is a disaster waiting to happen. The separatist party that wants to break up Canada would have veto power over any decisions that this unelected coalition would make. OUTRAGEOUS!!

The Liberals would gain power to elect the next Prime Minister without first getting a mandate from the Canadian electorate.

The newly elected members of Parliament were elected on the premises defined by party policies. This coalition represents the effective loss of democracy as the participating parties have blatantly disregarded the citizen’s vote. What is more is that no one really knows the conditions of this agreement between the three cooperating parties.

Dion, Layton and Duceppe should forever take the blame for delaying action towards the growing economic problem.

Should a vote of non-confidence occur within the House of Commons, the citizens of Canada should be given their right to elect a new government on their behalf.

This proposed coalition government is just wrong.

The NCC has taken up the cause against this attack on democracy. We will be running advertisements and already have a petition against this proposed government.

What are your thoughts on the possible coalition government? Should the government rely on the cooperation of a party that aspires to separate from the Canadian federation?

Peter Coleman

President and CEO

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Comments

Rick Fess says:

I will NEVER vote Fiberal or NeverDoneProperly again. If I lived in Quebec, I wouldn’t EVER vote for the Blochead Quebecois.
It doesn’t matter now how the vote goes, this coalition for MONEY sickens my stomach.

Rick Fess

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:28 pm

Gord Drimmie says:

What a farce on EVERYBODY’s part. The pit bull gang of Harper, Flaherty and Giorno ignore the plight of the working man in order to pursue a petty partisan agenda. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns! If Harper had any concern for the average citizen, he would resign and, at the same time, table a meaningful economic statement for his successor to sell. Things such as aid for manufacturing and autos; an equalization of the EI program to assist the tragedy ongoing in Ontario’s economy; and an accelerated infrastructure program to build confidence.

I suspect, however, that harper just wants to play politics. he doesn’t get it.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pm

ScurvyDog says:

The Opposition decided to only take action after the election with a stronger Conservative Minority because of Non-Confidence. But why now? If people truly support you party then they will finance and volunteer to support your party. Its fairer. I do realize this is legal but morally wrong for the Liberals and NDP to run around waving the Unity Flag but at the same time, dealing with the Separatists especially for power in Canadian Government. This may cause for more concern for the economy and the unity of Canada from coast to coast.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 pm

DavidL says:

Jack Layton campaigned on the platform that he was going after the job of Prime Minister.

Now we know exactly what he was talking about.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm

Floyd Hammond says:

Stop this Coup d’etat. This is all about these Cry Babies loosing there government handout to political parties that most of us do not support.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:48 pm

Hugh Bieber says:

Give us a break!!! This IS within our constitution and democratic. The Conservatives received 35% of the vote. Harper has proven, once again, that he can’t work with anyone else…even his own party. He should go, one way or another.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:48 pm

Barry Amies says:

I disagreed with the Bloc having a chance to run in our Federal Election before this talk of a coalition came about. They did not run candidates in all jurisdictions and they have an agenda which is contrary to the thoughts of all Canadians who are in favour of a united Canada. It is about time we quit being so nice and allow the secession from Canada to happen but not before they square up their debts. It came through loud and clear what the Bloc was saying when they stated they have their own agenda - and we are going to allow them to be a part of the coalition government? I can’t believe that Layton and Dion would be a party to this relationship. They don’t care about Canadians, just power. This will be their downfall.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:50 pm

grant Johnson says:

Its a discrace! I can not believe that the people of Canada believe they will be better served with this unstable frankenlition than with a minority government. Granted Harper should have held off with the clearly partisan proposal that opened the door for this but that hardley justifies giving the separtists veto power. Do we really want to give the party that can not manage their own budget control of the countries fiscal management. The Bloc has already admitted they entered into the coalition for the purpose of advancing their separtist agenda. How can the Liberals and even theNDP accept this?
If Harper has lost the confidence of the house then we the people should get to make the call as to who will govern. Not a frankenlition of the loosers!

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:53 pm

T.J. Lamping says:

This coalition simply means that future elections will not mean anything, Particularly minority governments. I believe the will of the people is being subverted by a group of gangsters posing as politicians.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm

Richard C. Hermann says:

A coalition government including the Bloc, which has as its prime objective the destruction of Canada, is utter nonsense, and I hope that the Governor General will not allow it. If that means that we must have another election, so be it, although I am upset at the collossal waste that would be, and the delay it would cause in the actions that must be taken in view of the world financial difficulties.

And for what it is worth, I fully aggree with the proposal to end taxpayer subsidies of the political parties. I am offended by the knowledge that some of my tax dollars are going to support parties,such as the Bloc and the NDP with which I am in total disagreement.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm

Pete says:

I understand that this coalition is legal, but that doesnt make it moral. By joining with the Bloc, the Liberals and NDP are bordering on treason.

I will gladly pay my $10 to fund another federal election. I hope the governer general is listening…

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm

AncientBrit says:

No need too rent ‘The Three Stoges’, we have alive version.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm

Alfred Albrecht says:

First, a separtist party does not represent any province’s interests other than Quebec’s. Second, there HAS to be some Liberals who are not as socialistic minded as the N.D.P. therefore, this alliance cannot last. Third, call another election if the Consevatives lose on a non confidence motion.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:17 pm

Zisis Papandreou says:

He is an email that I send to the Governor General earlier today.

Dear Governor General:

As many other Canadians, I am very concerned with the prospect of having a coalition government with the Bloc as a partner.

Whereas such an event may follow parliamentary procedures, in my view it represents a dramatic blow to democracy for all Canadians. If the Liberals, NDP and Bloc had formed a coalition before the election, nobody can be sure that they would have secured the total seats in Parliament that they now enjoy; one very likely outcome would have been a Conservative majority. In fact, the Media has been reporting grave concerns among citizens in the East and outrage in the West. Even prominent Liberals are distancing themselves from such a prospect.

Whereas coalition governments have operated in many democratic countries, I am not aware of one that included a separatist party with veto powers, as surely the Bloc would enjoy since the constant threat of their departure from the coalition and its dissolution would be looming over the Liberals and the NDP. Having the Bloc in government is at least an oxymoron, but I fear it will be much worse. Instead of uniting the country as a coalition would normally be expected to do, divisions will deepen: for example, the separatist party in Alberta has enjoyed a resurgence this week. And if the coalition does satisfy Quebec’s demands, it would be at a tremendous financial and social cost to the rest of Canada.

Should a vote of non-confidence occur within the House of Commons, I request that you consider bringing us to a new election, instead of appointing a coalition government. Another $300 million in election costs will undoubtedly pale in comparison to the billions this coalition will cost us in trying to satisfy the needs of all three parties. And this is my final point: these parties claim they are concerned with the financial crisis of the country yet oppose necessary spending cuts, and are not working with the Conservatives towards a financial stimulus that will be well though out; Mr. Dion had said during the election campaign that if elected he would need 80 days to come up with a plan. Are we expected to believe that he has lost confidence in the government after less than 60 days? Why does he not wait until a January budget and then decide?

Thank you for your attention and good luck with a difficult decision.

Sincerely,

Dr. Zisis Papandreou, P.Phys.
Professor of Physics

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:25 pm

Erwen Smith says:

Dear NCC,
The only true way for our Govener General to act, is to call a national election.
300M is a lot of money to do so, but much cheaper in the long run than having a Coalition running Canada.
ES

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 pm

Lucien Saumur says:

There is no way out of the current political crisis. Another election would certainly produced the same results as the previous election.

The problem is the electoral system which compels the people to vote for political parties. A choice of political parties is not a choice. People do not go to vote to change their political philosophy. They need a choice of candidates that share their philosophy.

And this is what the preferential ballot would give them. This is the only ballot suitable to a democracy because it alone allows the identification of the candidates preferred to all others by the majority of the voters. This ballot compels every candidate and every party to seek to satisfy the majority of the voters rather than divide them artificially into factions as our current system does.

By allowing the election of the candidate, in every riding, preferred to all others, by the majority of the voters, the preferential ballot would elect a parliament of individuals ready to work with each other for the good of the country rather than for the interest of political parties.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm

J Mac says:

This is what happens when a separtist party is allowed to sit in the national house of government.

Once we get over this crisis, we need legislation that states that only national parties can have members in the House of Commons. The Bloc should be a lobbyist group at best, or tried for treason at the other extreme.

And now the Greens are chipping in with their comments - no elected members at all! Canadians do you not see that electoral reform is essential and only national parties should have representatives, and no unelected parties get to come to the leaders debates……

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:35 pm

jim davis says:

When the official opposition had the ability to take the government down
without having to rely on the separatists they didn’t have the guts they very seldom showed up to vote.
In the 11th hour They think they can derail a duly elected government at any costs. It is time the Liberals be taken to 2 members or hell no members in the house.
Enough is too much…… you kind of expect this kind of behavior from Jack but for the temporary so called leader of the Liberal Party of Canada to be involved in this …………….joke demonstrates the depths the liberals have stooped too. I look foreword to the Bloc as the official opposition!
Any thing would be an improvement!

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm

Warren says:

The Angus Reid Poll published today in the Toronto Star shows that of decided respondents, virtually 2 out of 3 Canadians are “worried about the Bloc being involved in the federal government” and 7 out of 10 would not be comfortable with Stephane Dion as PM.

Even in Quebec where a small majority are OK with the Bloc being “involved”, 65% of decided respondents don’t want Dion as PM.

Predicatbly, the Star headlines this as “Canadians split over choices”. And they start the narrative by reporting that “a majority of respondents don’t like the Conservative economic record”. However, the regional split on this issue is not graphed. I wonder why?

What could be more clear than this implicit endorsement of the status quo and, conversely, its outright rejection of a Coalition and of Dion as PM.

Governor General. Please take note.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 1:54 pm

Joe Gunn says:

Spending another $300 million for an election will prove to be the most prudent and cheapest avenue to follow - I can’t believe we would allow Taliban Jack to get his hands on our treasury, nor the Traitors for that matter.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:03 pm

John Nicholls says:

Since the Bloc will not have a seat in Cabinet how can this be considered a true coalition of the three parties. I hope the GG will see this action for what it really is, a highjacking of Parliament for personal purposes, and have the backbone to nip this in the bud.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:06 pm

Walter says says:

i am 100% conservative and i agree in general with all of the above. i wud add tht we should offer Stephen Harper;s head on a plate, for what it is worth anymore. if you kick a dog tht has been beaten, he is likely to try and bite you no matter what the consequences. dec 3 2008

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:14 pm

bill d says:

Terrible to contemplate the instability that will be caused if the Coalition takes over. They are presenting their sole reason as lack of a program for stimulating the economy

l feel Harper and team should be faulted in not listing and empahsizing in great DETAIL , in the past few days and weeks all that is already under way now (eg. the auto industry) Also in not expressing MUCH MORE CONCERN for the thousand wh o are facing uncertainty in their jobs.
I hope tonight hewilll correct these serious .shortcomings, as well as making the case that broad help,(possibly with some details) is on the way and will be delvered quicker and better by present deeply invloved and experience cabinet ministers.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:17 pm

Ian Watt says:

We must show support for Canada, and Western Canada by withdrawing from the current Federal wealth transfer so as not to finance, with our money, the Bloc It is a bloodless Coup d’etat and should they get away with this our vote will never again mean a thing. This couldn’t have occurred at poorer time in our history. Pray for our Country that our Governor General is given much wisdom.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:22 pm

Bernard Coady says:

Dion and Layton have prostituted themselves to the Bloc and separatists. They are willing to be blackmailed for the sake of pretending they won the election. Pierre Trudeau was right when he said the Quebec separatists will blackmail Canada forever. Now these clowns agrre with the separatists. Charge them all with sedition!
Bernard Coady

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:23 pm

Terry Cord says:

Respectfully speaking, T.J Lamping forgot to include the word ” Conservative ” as in ” Particularly Conservative minority governments ” in his following comment : This coalition simply means that future elections will not mean anything, Particularly minority governments. I believe the will of the people is being subverted by a group of gangsters posing as politicians

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm

DouglasM says:

ONLY IN CANADA. I have said this before about other issues that would only happen here. Only in Canada would a developed economy democratic country have a party in federal jurisdiction whose main goal is the separation of one part of that country and representing only that part of the country, to the detriment to the rest of the country.

Our PM was outright stupid to do what he did. He could have bought a decent period of “peace” with the opposition actually supporting him for at least a while. As time passed, Canadians who did not vote Conservative might have had the opportunity to realize that the Conservatives do not have a “hidden agenda” and are not “nasty”. Those people might be compelled to vote Conservative in the next election and give the Conservatives their long-desired majority. That scenario seems very unlikely to happen now. Now, even fewer QuĂ©becois will vote something besides for the separatist Bloc QuĂ©becois and I doubt there are enough [b]Canadians[/b] who are right-leaning to vote Conservative.

Finance Minister Flaherty (MP for the riding in which my business is) could have laid out reasons for holding off on any economic stimulus plans, perhaps even noting how much the Americans are pouring in (and the Europeans, et al) and that perhaps it is prudent and would be a more efficient use of Canadian taxpayer money to not end up spending more than necessary if the billions already committed by other governments have a positive impact on Canada. Or did I miss something.

I am frustrated as hell. From what I have seen in my life, just about every time Canada has had an opportunity to really excel and move ahead in this world, somehow or other, the country (and/or its leaders) manage to screw it up.

This “coalition” would spend Canada back in to the days of structural deficits that were leading Canada on the way to following New Zealand in (near) bankruptcy in the mid-late 1980s.

I don’t know where I should put my investment money, but having it in Canada is not as comforting as it was only weeks ago.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:26 pm

Larry Wulff says:

How could such a proposed coalition govt. possibly count on the BQ voting on any proposals that are strictly in Canada’s interest.! ? What a NOnSENSE idea.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm

Dave Vose says:

It’s a clear message to Western Canada. Get the hell out of confederation you Conservative so and sos. Oops, I forgot you have all the money. Would you accept the abject apologies from Layton, Duceppe and jerk # 3 .We shall try to convince Central Canada from stifling your conservative majority. But remember, the two Central powers have a right to govern with a quebecois P.M .You are and always have been a bit of a nuisance. You are only four small provinces. However, save me a place when you leave cause I’ll be the first one home.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:42 pm

Bernie Melloul says:

Clearly and without much explanation, the actions of these three men, the Three
Stooges as I refer to them lately, will bring the government spirit of Canada to resemble the unstable Governments of Africa. What has happened to Canada that we should lower ourselves to these standards of politics. This is not about
the people , and for the people but rather all for the expansion of already fat politicians heads. Who needs that crap!!! If these guys were truly representing
the people they would find a common sense solution to the crisis they say exists.
As far as political funding , Harper is absolutely right. Political Parties must be closed out of the public purse. We need funding on so many of our social nets in this country were this wasted money could be allocated to.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm

ken says:

Lets call it what it is …a power grab by three losers !Disgusting and embarrasing !!!

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm

Michael Hewett says:

email to the Governor General of Canada (info@gg.ca)

Excellency

I respectfully suggest that the only acceptable answer to the current political crisis is to call an election if the current government loses a no confidence vote in parliament. My reasons are as follows:

In the last election the four four Western Provinces elected 71 Conservatives out of 92 seats. The Liberals elected 7 after promising never to form a coalition with the NDP, and certainly not with the block. To appoint this opposition threesome as a governing party would strongly encourage Western separation. I for one would be very much inclined to separate.

The West is now driving the Canadian economy, and contributing substantial funding to the rest of Canada. Canada needs the West far more than the West needs Canada. If this naked power grab by the Eastern based parties succeeds, and the West is effectively squeezed out of government, why should we stay in Confederation. We have tried, time after time, to work within the Confederation, and every time the Eastern Canadian interests have cheated and lied their way back into power. This may well be the final straw.

When you find yourself surrounded by cheats and liars, it’s time to pick up your marbles and go home.

I realise that you are in a difficult position. You are under an obligation to the Liberal Party, who appointed you to your position. You are also a Quebec resident and many Canadians believe you had ties to the Quebec separatists in the past. I trust you will put aside these partisan ties, act in the best interests of Canada, and refuse to hand the Government of Canada to this unholy coalition of opposition parties.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm

Marg Phillips says:

I cannot believe that anyone would blame Stephen Harper for this fiasco!.. He is right to pull the funding that goes to the parties (including his own party). the only thing that he could be accused of is bad timing. Other than that he cannot be accused of anything. This government has done more for the average working man out there than any other party has. The Conservatives are right to wait until January to announce anymore money to be given out for the economy. The auto workers should possibly look at their own wages and perhaps take a pay cut themselves to save their own jobs. Do people know that they make on average $73.00 an hour before Benefits??? Think about that. They expect the guy down the street (and that may be you) who is making $20.00 an hour to give their industry money to save their jobs? Does this make any sense to you? Another question to ponder. If you had money to invest , would you go to an investor who he himself is in debt and struggling? Of course not so… why would you trust the Liberals with your money (tax dollars) when they are so far in debt themselves? Start asking the right questions and use your heads!
Margaret Phillips

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm

Warren Young says:

I think that things will not change much under this coalition. The only thing that concerns me is that it may damage things economci

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm

JH says:

If the current actions of the Opposition parties is any indication of how they would govern the country…….may God help us. They have lied, cheated and stolen from Canadians. They lied about wanting to work with the current government, they are cheating Canadians out of the stability of the current government, and they are stealing our right to elect the party we want. They are underhanded and corrupt and do they think for one minute that Canadians want THEM governing us? I don’t think so.
Canada is in the best position in the world economically right now and that is thanks to Stephen Harper and his forsight a year ago.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:11 pm

Terry Cord says:

Hey Gord Drimmie - which is it??? Typical suckin and blowin…

“Gord Drimmie says: If Harper had any concern for the average citizen, he would resign and, at the same time, table a meaningful economic statement for his successor to sell. “

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Roger Graves says:

I find it fascinating that the topic on which the coalition is apparently making its bid for power is the Conservative suggestion (and so far only a suggestion) that taxpayer funding of political parties should cease. The reaction from the media has been as if the entire Canadian Constitution was threatened. Get real, for Heaven’s sake. Taxpayer funding of political parties was instituted only about ten years ago by Jean Chretien, mainly because the Liberal organization of the day was too arrogant and inefficient to raise money by appealing to ordinary voters.

Political parties are private organizations which have no business being funded by taxpayers. I find it outrageous that my tax dollars are being used to fund parties which I do not support. This type of public funding occurs, to the best of my knowledge, nowhere else in the world, except perhaps for Cuba and North Korea. It is an obscenity that should have been strangled at birth.

However, I quite understand the dismay of Messrs. Dion, Layton and Duceppe. None of their parties have bothered recently to reach out to their supporters for funding, preferring instead to put their snouts into the public trough. Removing public funding would force them to justify themselves to their supporters, which would apparently be a most un-Canadian thing to do.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Jim DeB says:

What is going on in Ottawa has nothing to do with DEMOCRACY thit is MUTINY. Anybody involved in this process is a traiter and against the people of Canada. As for Canada, we are a nation in DISTRESS and should wear our MAPLELEAF upside down as a sign of it. If a coalition will come through while the Limerals, the N.D.P and the Block can’t stand the smell of each other, we as Canadians will be in for a disaster

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm

John Doan says:

I agree completely that this coalition is a farse, not only that it is an embasassment to all Canadians.
I for one am not about to sit back quietly and be governed by someone that was not voted into power by the voters of ths country.

Again, these three are an embarassment to the whole country.

My four teenage children have more common sense than these three have

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm

P. Alexander says:

Oh how times have changed. Once upon a time politicians use to want to represent the people in Canada, for the better of Canada.

I had great pride in our country but it seems to be diminishing more and more lately because of our government policies. I am still having a hard time with the Churchill hydro electric deal Quebec forced upon Newfoundland in late 60’s. It is a tough world out there no doubt and there shouldn’t be the need to screw over another province for the better of another. There has always been issues between the western provinces and the central provinces when in fact if one was to view it in whole, one would find that we both rely on each other during booming construction phases.

To get back on topic - we the people should have the right to a new election, this time lets make it a majority Conservative Government and let the three babies spend more time in the sand box together.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:45 pm

Barry Jackson says:

The Bloc has never been more than a regional protest movement. Joined with the Liberals and the NDP, however, it gains legitimacy as a federal entity in its own right. Since the three parties share the same left wing interventionist agenda, their amalgamation into one broad ideological movement that clashes directly with a small-c conservative party would permit all Canadians to make a definitive choice as to the type of government they want. Removing Chretien’s outrageous welfare funding scheme that disenfranchises millions of taxpayers would also restore some honesty to our dysfunctional electoral system. As it stands, three conniving liars are about to realize their wildest dreams. I would rather Ottawa spent $300-million than allow Mr. Bean and the Two Stooges to flush away $30-billion into the coffers of salivating unions.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 3:51 pm

Ron says:

This is the worst thing to happen to Canada–IF the G.G. allows this to happen! Like they are referred to above–the 3 stooges, Stooge one–his own party doesn’t even want him, stooge two–Jack and his bean stock is trying to climb it into the P.M. assistant chair( The ONLY way he would EVER get there) and stooge three–what can I say–They HUNG Reil for the same thing, a little over a hundred years ago, for what we ’seem’ to think is legal today! (Legal–but NOT right) Is this progress? Ron

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 4:05 pm

Gordon Payne says:

Sad though it is, Stephen Harper—–whom I once supported and to whose election campaign I contributed—-has revealed himself as an arrogant dictator and should be replaced as party leader ASAP.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 4:19 pm

Don Williamson says:

I agree that Harper made a stupid decision. People say that the coalition received more votes than the Conservatives, however, I suspect that many would not have voted for the Liberals or the NDP if they knew they would combine and include the Bloc in the coalition. In essence the Bloc will control Parliament. They have veto power over the contents of the Speach from the Throne and the budget. The Speach details to direction of proposed legislation and the budget funds the process. The only reason that the Bloc do not have any representation in the Cabinet is that no one would support the coalition. Why would theBloc agree to having no Cabinet seats when the have more seats than the NDP? Those in favour of the coalition should ask themselves what the support of the Bloc will cost the rest of Canada. There has to be something in it for them. If the government is defeated, then I am in favour or an election to settle the issue.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 5:03 pm

Gerald Hutchison says:

Wow. It is hard to believe the depths to which our politions have devolved.
Even I never thought the Liberals would ever sink quite so low. This whole situation is clearly about the political parties fighting to keep their millions
of unjustified tax dollar subsidies. These so called coalition threesome do
not have the best interest of the Country at heart at all.
Our Govenor General should grant us a new election if need be but not
burden us with such a motley crew of self interested deadbeats.
If it costs $300 million, so be it, everyone seems to think we should be spending to “stimulate” our economy anyway.
This Country needs a strong majority Conservative Government while the Liberals and NDP go remake themselves into something class enough for us to even consider in the future. The Bloc need not apply.
May our G.G. serve us, the Canadian population, and not be swayed by her
Liberal appointers.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 5:12 pm

Bill M says:

The foregoing comments and advice to the NCC and the Governor General are excellent, and I hope she takes them into account when confronted tomorrow with perhaps the most difficult decision to make in her life. Being an appointee by a former Liberal Prime Minister, I hope we can expect her to reflect the views of the nation rather than just those of her appointees. The only aspect not covered adequately thus far in the blogs is: “who should lead the Conservative Party in whatever direction the G.G. steers us?”.

In the recent past, Mr. Harper demonstrated his inability to manage the economy and to lead a difficult minority government. For example: (i) prior to the recent election, he pumped billions of infrastructure dollars into Quebec to gain votes and seats … his measures obviously failed to produce his intended end-result; (ii) by springing upon Canada an unwanted and unnecessary national election last month, he forfeited the chance to demonstrate, over the ensuing year before the mandatory election date that he established and then revoked, that he could indeed govern the country even with a somewhat disjointed and confused Opposition in disarray. His political skills are clearly questionable; and (iii) the content and tabling of the financial statement in the House and its withdrawal last week were clearly monumental viscious jokes. Is this the kind of person we want to lead the Country?

In elevators, and on the street today, I heard the views of many disgruntled Conservative supporters. Their common theme was to withdraw support and funding of the Conservative Party so long as Mr. Harper remains at the helm. The risks in keeping him in charge are great, and the Party can be decimated. Who is ready to take charge and lead the Party and the Country out of the Recession that we face?

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 5:21 pm

Greg Witt says:

Lest we forget. When the liberals have their convention in May there will be a new leader - now new Prime Minister. I’m sure Canadians will love a guy only elected by the elite of his own party to be running the country and the economy. Also, where does everyone think most of this funding in this so called stimulus package is going to go? Currently, We have 3 leaders all born in Quebec, one represents downtown Toronto, and the others represent Montreal. The “Prime Ministers in Waiting” Bob Rae - former Ontario NDP leader (who single handedly ruined the Ontario Economy), represents a Toronto riding (the one btw Layton’s and his wife Oliva Chow’s riding), Ignatieff represents a Toronto-area riding and the other minor candidiates represent Quebec ridings. Politics is Politics, but this is extreme. I hope people West on Ontario and in the 905 and suburban Ontario ridings realize there is going to be no cabinet positions representing our interests. The Liberals are a 2 city party + Nfld and the NDP represents the elite old Canadian Labour Congress and the Bloc is well the Bloc. Let the Liberals govern. In two years we’ll see the way paved for a decade of strong majority conservative governments. The only party who currently represents more than just regional interests.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 5:31 pm

Harry F. Hartwig says:

I am outraged, so much so that all I want to say is: Jil Duceppe, go to hell and take that other litle french puppet named Stephane Dion and that no good for nothing communist Jack Layton with you. Maybe than will the canadian people have some rest and be able to deal with more important issues, like how can we get our economy back on track.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 5:32 pm

Dot Fuhrman says:

the three stooges must not take over our country. It is all power and the fact the govt. vote deal would be cut off. Those guys never pay their own way. Dot Fuhrman

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 5:52 pm

Bruce Carson says:

You know, this may be a good thing. The three muskrateers blatant disregard for democracy seems to have really upset the average Canuck. There’s talk of separation again, only this time it will be the ROC that’s dumping its forever whining, never satisfied spouse. Without la belle province, the Conservatives would have a clear majority government.
By the way, the few western lefties who are supportive of the coup d’etat can join their brethren in PQ or they can move to the part of Ontario ruled by the Toronto Star.
Simple solution, eh?

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 6:18 pm

DAL says:

NEVER should the three stooges be allowed a coup d’etat. Just 6 weeks ago we elected a government in Canada. If the minority gov should face a vote of confidence and fall so be it, but we should then be required to elect another, not a grab for power by three leaders whom would never in a 1000 years be given the leadership of even the worst banana republic. As Mike Duffy said last night (talking about the liberal party “you guys are traitors to Canada”

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 6:43 pm

Paul Morgan says:

Rather than being a proud Canadian because we can elect a leader in a couple of months rather taking two years, I now feel ashamed of our elected representatives.
I didn’t vote conservative because I believed I had a stong local representative.
If he votes non-confidence, it is against my wishes.
I accept what was elected and expect them to govern, not be disruptive.
Currently non-action, which this is, is worse than some action.
There is no way the coalition can last.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 6:44 pm

D.R. Chevalier says:

Only in Canada could the fate of the country lie in the hands of an appointed official of limited experience and give that person the power to place into leadership a coalition comprising one member whose entire existence is predicated on destroying Canada through separatism.

The GG must call a Federal election. Then that useless position must be removed to prevent that power being held ever again by a person not elected legally by the citizens of this country.

An act or set of acts with the desired outcome being the overthrow of a legally elected government is defined as treason. Mr. Dion, Mr. Duceppe and Mr. Layton should be charged with treason because they have planned just such an overthrow without consideration of the reality of a legal election.

I further continue to wonder why the Bloc is an accredited Federal party when its sole goal is to break up Canada. Time to pull their charter. No country should ever support a party dedicated to its destruction.

Enough is enough.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 8:20 pm

Dave S. says:

Just think about it!!
If the coalition goes ahead, the separatists will have a carte blanche control over all government decisions. If the separatists are not appeased on each and every Government decision, the NDLibs are certain to lose all government confidence votes thrusting them into an election which they can’t afford. Make no mistake about it - the 1011 date of their dirty little agreement is essential because they can’t afford an election cost before then! Really, we should be acknowledging Gilles Ducepe as the real P.M.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 8:32 pm

Bob N says:

The Lieberals are acting according to their unofficial motto; viz., “Get power at all costs. Keep power at all costs.”

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 8:35 pm

$ says:

I’m surprised Bob Rae doesn’t see how this ruins his leadership bid. No liberal will feel comfortable supporting him if they have a coalition with his old NDP buddies. Besides, that would be 2 leaders from Toronto ru(i)nning the country. If he was smart he’d denounce the coalition.

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Avery LePage says:

It is outrageous that all the political parties in Canada are out for power for themselves. Non of them is thinking of the good of Canada, its citizens, and the economy. They are just thinking of lining their own pockets. And to allow the BQ to have the balance of power in this unholy coalition. Somehow, I hope cooler heads will prevail!

submitted on December 3rd, 2008 at 11:08 pm

Jill says:

I believe that democracy is at work. Harper stated he would not permit a deficit, and within days of the election he stated that a deficit would be needed to spur the economy on. Is he, and his staff, so incompetent they could not foresee the turn in the economy? Why has Harper not presented his plans so the Liberal/NewDemoctat/Bloc could then address this in the house as it has been used since confederation? Harper and his cohorts missed the boat by being obstinate. If we look at numbers, many more people voted against Harper than have ever voted for him! I would have still voted against Harper.
YEAH FOR DEMOCRACY IN CANADA!

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 12:19 am

Ray says:

Truly a sad display, everyone including the current prime minister should be flushed out. New leaders, new campaign, new election ! If the same re-occurs then reset and do it all over again until we have flushed out the system enough to get some decent individuals in place who will truly put the country first. Its indeed sickening to realize that some of the old hands had a play in this (Chretien/Broadbent) although it is not surprising to see why we have stooped to new lows. We all need to make a clean break from the old politics and embrace a new politics of collaboration. Heck even a Conservative/Liberal/NDP coalition would have been more palatable than sleeping with the enemy (Bloc). The Liberals and NDP will pay heavily for this treason, Canadians will not let this go easily, things are good, a Conservative majority is within our sights.

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 6:52 am

Dave Vose says:

Apparently, The deal between the traitors is to give Duceppe’s province an extra1billion dollars on top of the 7 billion dollars in transfer payments. To the G.G. simple arithmetic: We could hold THREE Federal elections for less money and not have to screw the rest of Canada in the process.

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 8:16 am

Christopher-Peter: Maingot says:

I’m still trying to wrap my head around the reasoning that would motivate a Separatist party, and obviously its members, whose ideals it is to become “independent” or to separate from the country Canada, or perhaps the corporation who knows…to continue to be, or appear so, anyways eh, an integral part of this country’s parliamentary system…should I stay or should I go?

Apart from that, what’s equally difficult to decipher, is why would so-called democratic parties, the Dion’s, Layton’s and such, align themselves with a group that promotes an alienation doctrine (Sovereignist). I guess one really needs to do a study of the “science”, after all, they did lead us to believe that that is what it is…political science?

FYI: Over four months ago, I asked the federal MPs of the past 39th parliament of CANADA to offer an explanation on the matter below, and actually, this its been my fourth (4) attempt at trying to solicit an answer. Can anyone out there offer an easy to understand reason for this so that more of us might understand too?

The US Securities and Exchange Commission is listing Canada (the country) on their website, but as a company (corporation) “CANADA” spelled all in upper case…therefore creating a fictitious entity, or corporation of our country - Canada. They use projected income, yet to be collected from taxes, as part of their asset value in trying to encourage investment in their corporation “CANADA”??

Included below is information from the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) website, and some instructions to navigate once there…feel free to go where you wish.

The main reason for the creation of the SEC was to regulate the stock market and prevent corporate abuses relating to the offering and sale of securities and corporate reporting. The SEC was given the power to license and regulate stock exchanges.

The enforcement authority given by Congress allows the SEC to bring civil enforcement actions against individuals or companies found to have committed accounting fraud, provided false information, or engaged in insider trading or other violations of the securities law.

In 1999 in a fight with the auditor general of Canada (L. Denis Desautels) who refused to sign off on the books if Paul Martin (Minister of Finance) continued to “cook the books”, Martin agreed to using proper accounting procedures in two areas, environment and aboriginal matters, in addition to the Crown corporations. In the year 2004, our government has finally applied accrual accounting to all areas of Canada’s accounts.

Cooking the books for so many years grossly exaggerated current spending and exaggerated the debt by failure to balance the assets against the liabilities. They used these cooked books (1) to justify pushing up interest rates “to fight inflation due to the growing deficit and debt”; (2) to raise taxes unnecessarily to balance the hopeless bookkeeping and to pay the excessive unnecessary interest; (3) to justify slashing social programs as being unaffordable; (4) to justify feeding the greed of the private sector.

Once at the SEC website, type in the company name “CANADA” (not the country)?

http://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html
At the top of the page, you will see CANADA - click on the (central index key) CIK 0000230098

Check out the address for CANADA – is it the company or the country?

Next, click on the second red [html] in the column titled formats this will take you to the annual report with the filing date: 2007-12-20

Once there, click on the second red address m38702orexv99wd.htm

(1542844 CURRENT CANADA DESCRIPTION)

There is some “interest-ing” reading at page 17 “Government Finances” and on page 29 “Monetary and Banking System” see end of third paragraph?

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 9:30 am

Glen in Calgary says:

Until such a time as we vote for teams of political parties I would prefer not to live in a country governed by a gang.

Our recent election was clearly fought on the economy and each of the coalition parties was soundly defeated. C’mon these people are trying to take over our government over a fiscal update. We know they don’t like it but we voted to allow the conservatives to get us through this economic turmoil knowing full well the other parties prefer their own methodology.

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 9:55 am

Ed Korhonen says:

The idea of this 3- headed horse being able to run the country is enough to make you laugh -or cry-

but Harper triggered this fiasco- he now likely replaces Joe Clark in the ” most boneheaded move by a Conservative PM ” pantheon-

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 10:40 am

Bill M says:

Her Excellency, The Governor General, has made her decision, and Parliament is now pro-rogued until January 26th.

To avoid the risk of defeat in the House of Commons in January, Mr. Harper should now immediately resign as Prime Minister, and let a more able-bodied and capable sitting MP deal with the new Speech from the Throne and the Budget to be tabled in January.

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

Bruce says:

Why I distrust Steve Harper and the conservatives.
1. He is willing to send Canadians to die in a war without any open, logical analysis or diplomacy.
2. He lies. Often. He himself proposed a coalition and now says coalitions are wrong.
3. He is sneaky and vindictive. Why the attacks on other parties, on the arts, on equality, on so many liberal, democraatic canadian values?
4. He is confrontational and beligerent. Why the continual biased attack ads and smear tactics?
5. He will do anything for power; just examine his record. He goes back on his word, distorts the facts, refuses to accept responsibility for his actions.

I cannot understand those who were raised in our liberal canadian democracy who seem to hate liberal values so much. Perhaps it is their home-schooling? Why wouldn’t a liberal coalition government be OK now when it’s perfectly OK when it suits the conservatives? remember that 62% of voters in the last election did NOT vote conservative.

Bruce E

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

Stuart Macadam says:

The NCC is campaigning against the gag law in Alberta. Is the NCC going to campaign against the gag law just perpetrated on the Canadian parliament by Stephen Harper.

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

john warner says:

If there is any patriotism at all in Canada, then Opposition MPs should be crossing the House in droves. This would cure two problems…get rid of the Three Stooges and give Harper a majority to govern.

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

Ted Tafel says:

Wrong. Wrong.Wrong!!! What more need be said. The Canadian electorate told the country and the world what we as a Democracy wanted even thouugh it didn’t produce a majority government or the results three or maybe all four political parties hoped for. So be it. The people spoke and expect their wishes to be adhered to.

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

Jakob Knaus says:

Let the Liberals and NDP have all they power they seek east of the Ontario Manitoba border. We in the west are united to stand on our own feet
If the coalition want a mandate to govern from the citizens of Canada let them go to the people with a general election.
We cannot tolerate that separatists can blackmail Canadians to give them all the money they want, as “oterwise we leave the coalition”!
Jakob Knaus

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

Cam Walker says:

The proposed coalition government is simply another attempt by “Quebario” or “Ontabec” to take more money from the West and give it to Quebec in order to appease the separatists. In buying the bears off with honey we will, ironically enough, cause Sask, Alta and BC to separate from Canada down the road. Trudeau nearly destroyed Alberta with his disastrous NEP in the 1980’s. Once is enough. It seems that Quebario cannot tolerate a prime minister that does not come from “Je me souviens” territory.

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

Douglas Wilson says:

Fortunately the Governor General has made a wise decision, to suspend parliament for the time being. If the three stooges wish bring down the government in January we had better have an election. The people should decide who is to lead the country not Dion, Layton and Duceppe, we are after all, still a democracy as much as they would like to suspend this.

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

John Hildebrand says:

Where’s the criticism of Stephen Harper and his ill advisors who invited this “perfect storm”? I’m unaware of any mandate granted by the electorate to kick the opposition when they’re down. Harper and company were so busy wringing their hands in glee at the opportunity to castrate the opposition, they appeared to have no time left to get serious about tackling the problems that the electorate expects progress on.
Not all of Ottawa’s horses’ asses occupy opposition seats. How come NCC appears not to notice?

submitted on December 4th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

Dave Vose says:

I wrote the following E-mail to my Liberal member of parliament. Please write to yours. “To whom do you owe more:The Liberal Party or your Country’?

submitted on December 5th, 2008 at 8:22 am

Bronno Niemeyer says:

The Three Stooges should take a trip to Rusia for good, I am sure they will be very welcome…They are not for Canadians, if they are trying to break up the best Country in the World……

submitted on December 5th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

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